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Air Forces has announced that a flying

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disc has been found and is now in the

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possession of the army

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game is worth change the game game

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changer I occasionally think how quickly

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our differences worldwide would vanish

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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this is Fade to Black with your host

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Jimmy Church on the game changer Radio

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good evening everyone it is Tuesday May

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16 2023 I am your host Jimmy church and

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tonight well this is Fade to Black by

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the way tonight Whitley streber joins us

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and Whitley is here to talk about his

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new number one best-selling book it is

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called them he's live from the United

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Kingdom tonight normally he's uh you

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know right down the street from me here

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uh I miss him dearly already and he's

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live from England and here's the thing

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I'm not going to go through a long bio

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tonight with Whitley no I want to get

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straight to the show but the facts are

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the facts his website

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unknowncountry.com is among the largest

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in the world dealing with paranormal

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phenomena and his podcast Dreamland has

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produced weekly for over 20 years and

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that is all I have to say I'm just going

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to go straight to it say Whitley good

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morning young man how are

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good morning it's good to be be here

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good morning for me yeah I it's about

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three o'clock in the morning here or

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something yeah yeah

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very quiet

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this is this is a thing

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I remember you telling me once many

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years ago you said Jimmy

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I get up at 3am to meditate every night

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I do I I I I am good well now tonight

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exactly exactly and uh but uh

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congratulations uh the book is number

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one

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um it's got to make you feel pretty good

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yeah it's people are people are liking

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the book uh it's a you know a lot of

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hard work went into that it's

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two years of

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work

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mucho trouble it was a hard book to

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write on a lot of different levels but

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uh I'm glad there's a response because

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in though and say that um uh you and I

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talk a lot and it seemed that and and

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you know and we talk and and we hang out

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in those things but

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um every time that I talk to you

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um lately over the last couple of years

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Jimmy you know honestly man I gotta get

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back to work I gotta get back to work I

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gotta get back I gotta get that was it

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yeah yeah your passion uh about this uh

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has been very apparent uh over over the

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last two years and and it's the subject

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of the book too as well

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um which we're going to be discussing

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tonight but here's the thing

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the forward is Jacques valet

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um how did that happen and and well can

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you discuss that yeah the first thing

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that I I sent the book to Mitch Horowitz

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Jacques Valley Diana pasoka uh uh uh

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John Alexander uh and a number of other

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people uh Colin Kelleher Hal putoff

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I got back I asked for blurbs I didn't

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ask anybody for anything else I got back

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from Mitch Horowitz two days later I

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mean he devoured the book in a couple

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days and wrote a preface to it saying it

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was the most important book on the

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subject since uh Jacques ballet's

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passport to Magonia and then

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comes back with a forward essentially

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saying that the book is essential

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reading uh because uh especially for

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policy makers because it talks a lot

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about the need to develop coherent

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and also what

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whatever is here

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his policy towards us is because they do

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have policies they have consistent

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policies and if you look carefully into

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the into the into this record you can

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find those policies so the those and

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then Jack then Jeff kreifel says Whitley

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I've got to write an afterward because

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the trouble that came because of this

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book because what some things I had

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before they were published they caused a

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major kerfuffle and uh that my apartment

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was broken into

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my

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a lot of things happened anyway we'll

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uh so he wrote it afterward and then all

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I didn't I mentioned him everyone else

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wrote blurbs so it's got a lot of

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for a second

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um Mitch and then we're gonna uh get

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going here but but Mitch is uh somebody

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that I have the greatest respect for uh

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because of his

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um well first off he's just an

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all-around nice guy right but he's very

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smart and his family yeah yeah his

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foundation is is solid he he's just got

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so much research and so much knowledge

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right and and then there's the literary

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side of him too as well he's just an

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extraordinarily intelligent person and

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so for him to come back and and mention

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to you uh comparing your work uh this

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latest work uh them uh to Jacques valet

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that that that hits home I mean that's

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pretty pretty impressive I was very

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grateful for that I have to tell you

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and uh and then

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thing is that he he says in the preface

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he mentioned shock's book and then then

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the forward is from Jacques and they

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didn't have any idea

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that either of them was writing anything

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is that sneaky

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I don't know I just fell together

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did you did you meditate did you

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manifest that right did you you reach

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out to me I just

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I just tried to just you know get some

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notice and some support for my book and

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it worked very well as it turned out the

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um uh you were okay I want to talk about

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the issues at your house uh for a second

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uh if you don't mind and you can go as

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far as you want to go

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um but when

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um everything started to go down

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um you had called me and and we talked

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and you had sent me some videos okay

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that's all I'm gonna say right yeah I'm

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getting this update nearly in real time

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and uh and we talked through that later

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that week or it was shortly after that

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it was days but

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um you came out to my house for dinner

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right and and

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um I gave you some grief I said Whitley

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we were sitting out now you know I feel

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kind of bad about it but we're sitting

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out and we had a bunch of people that

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were having a great time and you who

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were watching the cameras on your house

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on your phone right that's right it sure

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was yeah yeah yeah and I go Whitley

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focus focus we're talking to you and and

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and at that time

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to have that kind of stuff go down it's

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an intrusion into your space Oh yeah I

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mean what did that I could I can watch

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the cameras right now from here I know

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you can you probably are

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um but not at the moment

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um what was I you know you're my friend

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and I was watching uh I saw your

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demeanor change over that uh that month

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or so uh when all of this was going down

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um how did you how did you deal with it

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because you have to reach down inside of

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yourself and and get through it nobody's

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gonna get through it for you but you

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well I I focused on the fact that the

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book would be published it would be

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written and it would be published

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that was my focus

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all a series of explosions

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around the house which were mostly those

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were probably the videos I showed you

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because those are the they were all

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picked up on video

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what's the the break-in

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which it was

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strange because

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you know they didn't need to do it they

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didn't need to there there was no sign

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of a break-in when I

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came home for my assist to give the

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listeners or are you on video now are we

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on videos yeah we are we are oh oh okay

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good now so the viewers and or listeners

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uh yeah an idea uh I I had gone out to

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exercises I do most mornings and it was

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noticed immediately as I walked into the

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that all my drawers were

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open

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and I thought holy God

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and there's no sign of any damage to the

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door of any kind it was just blocked as

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normal

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and I thought somebody's been in here

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you know I called the cops but there was

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nothing to do because you know I I could

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have filed a police report but there was

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no evidence of anything

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except some open drawers there was no

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nothing there was nothing

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so uh

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I kind of thought you know maybe I

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better increase my security here because

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I did have the cameras but the thing

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that was

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that troubled me and it didn't trouble

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me right away but it troubled me when I

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really thought about it a few hours

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later

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that the router had been offline

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that morning for the first time in

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something had happened the day before

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and I had gotten uh a notification that

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the that there was another computer

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trying to get onto my network

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I thought to myself at the time this is

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I shouldn't get no one should even be

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able to see this network let alone

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get on to it so maybe I need a more

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secure router so I turned the router off

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that night and ordered a new router no

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it must have been yeah it was the day

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before it was afternoon

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before that it happened because I

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ordered a new router in time for it to

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come from Amazon overnight and it was

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gonna it was due there the next day

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and uh the day the break-in happened so

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the break-in happened on the only day

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that the router wasn't turned on in

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years

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and that creeped me out when I really

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thought about it I thought what in what

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could be going on here because it I then

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thought well whoever it was

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tried to they they were responsible for

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that intrusion attempt

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in the first place somebody with a lot

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of computer skill

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so why in the world would they come in

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here and open drawers I mean it's just

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pointless

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and you know I I ordered some new

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cameras and additional cameras I've now

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got two Interlocking Systems in the in

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the house it's very very secure do you

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remember you you called me I just want

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to share this with everybody because uh

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it it it's funny now but Whitley calls

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me it's not not to me not yet I'm

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working on it

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uh Willie calls me because Jimmy I got a

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a question to ask you I said I said

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what's up but he goes

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um what kind of security system do you

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have what can you recommend I was like

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what what are you asking me and and

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that's when he said I need I need I need

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to seriously upgrade

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and and the the tone in your voice you

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don't call up a friend and ask you know

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what kind of security system do you have

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unless there's a reason right

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yeah that's right yeah no I called you

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and you know I got a lot of help also

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from Jim semi van uh the CIA guy who he

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because he when he was in operations he

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was uh

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security

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was one of his expertise areas of

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expertise and so he advised me one of

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the things that has happened

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uh was that

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after this occurred I got a

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a electronic

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uh door lock and

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someone came

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and looked over the system

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and that their their image showed up on

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the on the electronic locks camera

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and

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as well as a video of them walking up

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and looking around and

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um it's right in the camera too yeah

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you've seen it yeah right he's right in

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the camera he goes

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right I was like he's looking over the

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system he's looking over everything yeah

340
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yeah and he looked

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can I say he looked military

342
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he looks special ops to me he did to a

343
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lot of people and Jim semivan said

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uh

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he said he looked at the video very

346
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carefully and he said he is examining

347
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every aspect of your security system

348
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including the strength of your door

349
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and he is a thief or something worse

350
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and he's never come back

351
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in fact no one ever comes to my door

352
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except my maid I'm very careful about my

353
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address I don't give it out right but

354
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you know we've had I had all these

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explosions which would happen when I was

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meditating

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and that had been disturbing and I

358
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hadn't really I first the first one was

359
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happened the previous January and I

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thought

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Art Kids uh playing the firecrackers

362
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maybe some of the neighborhood kids know

363
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I meditate because some people that you

364
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know they know who I am live right

365
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around there maybe they're they're

366
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giving me a hard time or maybe just kids

367
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throwing around firecrackers there's

368
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about two or three weeks after New

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Year's

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so I figured uh forget about it's not

371
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important

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then

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this incredible

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explosion occurred which

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startled people all over the

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neighborhood in the whole in the

377
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neighborhood app was full of people

378
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saying what blew up you know what was it

379
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and I figured out from the number of

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reports that it had been heard over at

381
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least a square mile

382
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and the however the main Flash

383
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and sparking of it seemed to be right in

384
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front of my apartment and it had really

385
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been loud

386
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and I thought you know this is getting

387
00:17:42,049 --> 00:17:39,720
serious this is not a toy this is not a

388
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Skyrocket or a firecracker this was

389
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something big

390
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and uh you know I I began to think maybe

391
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I had a get out of here maybe maybe I'm

392
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in trouble here because some this is not

393
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this isn't some kid playing around other

394
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fireworks something else

395
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and then a few months later the break-in

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takes place

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and I'm working on a book and I'm trying

398
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to figure out what happened

399
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and what was wrong

400
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and who was doing it

401
00:18:14,810 --> 00:18:12,600
well

402
00:18:16,850 --> 00:18:14,820
I ended up

403
00:18:20,029 --> 00:18:16,860
not I haven't figured out who was doing

404
00:18:22,190 --> 00:18:20,039
it I I don't know I don't know they were

405
00:18:23,870 --> 00:18:22,200
people though I don't think it was a

406
00:18:26,090 --> 00:18:23,880
little gray for the Grays or anything

407
00:18:28,010 --> 00:18:26,100
like that I think it was people who are

408
00:18:29,930 --> 00:18:28,020
and and it suggests to me there are

409
00:18:32,330 --> 00:18:29,940
people who are connected to this thing

410
00:18:34,850 --> 00:18:32,340
in some ways that most of us are not

411
00:18:36,850 --> 00:18:34,860
because why would they single me out

412
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otherwise

413
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I did figure out why

414
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and it was basically because I was

415
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talking too much and writing too much

416
00:18:59,930 --> 00:18:56,870
things that are sensitive to

417
00:19:02,270 --> 00:18:59,940
these beings that we think I think of as

418
00:19:06,470 --> 00:19:02,280
the visitors things they don't want out

419
00:19:10,610 --> 00:19:06,480
and these are not

420
00:19:13,130 --> 00:19:10,620
things that you and I would consider you

421
00:19:15,350 --> 00:19:13,140
know Secrets Revelations their

422
00:19:16,789 --> 00:19:15,360
vulnerabilities

423
00:19:18,529 --> 00:19:16,799
and

424
00:19:20,330 --> 00:19:18,539
I'm not going to talk about them anymore

425
00:19:22,310 --> 00:19:20,340
because

426
00:19:24,650 --> 00:19:22,320
you know they obviously were frightened

427
00:19:27,130 --> 00:19:24,660
they were scared

428
00:19:29,450 --> 00:19:27,140
by what by my my

429
00:19:33,049 --> 00:19:29,460
verbal diarrhea

430
00:19:36,470 --> 00:19:33,059
and uh to not not so much on shows but

431
00:19:38,810 --> 00:19:36,480
to friends and uh you being one of them

432
00:19:41,810 --> 00:19:38,820
and uh but it's nothing that someone

433
00:19:44,930 --> 00:19:41,820
would say oh we gotta know that right

434
00:19:47,810 --> 00:19:44,940
it's just it's just uh that there are

435
00:19:51,549 --> 00:19:47,820
vulnerabilities there are there are and

436
00:19:54,650 --> 00:19:51,559
uh so I don't talk about that anymore

437
00:19:57,650 --> 00:19:54,660
did you did you have

438
00:19:58,870 --> 00:19:57,660
um some of this in the book originally

439
00:20:02,810 --> 00:19:58,880
yeah

440
00:20:06,169 --> 00:20:02,820
and it was removed I removed it I

441
00:20:07,490 --> 00:20:06,179
removed I removed everything that I

442
00:20:08,930 --> 00:20:07,500
thought

443
00:20:12,409 --> 00:20:08,940
could

444
00:20:16,490 --> 00:20:12,419
be troubling

445
00:20:19,130 --> 00:20:16,500
but nothing that was important

446
00:20:21,350 --> 00:20:19,140
uh because the important stuff is all

447
00:20:22,970 --> 00:20:21,360
still there including in the chapter

448
00:20:24,590 --> 00:20:22,980
about what happened to me you get

449
00:20:27,950 --> 00:20:24,600
everything you need to know in that

450
00:20:30,770 --> 00:20:27,960
chapter because you know my job here is

451
00:20:33,049 --> 00:20:30,780
not keeping secrets it's not it's not

452
00:20:35,289 --> 00:20:33,059
about keeping secrets it's the opposite

453
00:20:40,970 --> 00:20:35,299
I'm the guy who's supposed to tell

454
00:20:42,650 --> 00:20:40,980
things and uh I stumbled onto

455
00:20:46,430 --> 00:20:42,660
onto

456
00:20:48,230 --> 00:20:46,440
some very sensitive things and uh paid

457
00:20:51,110 --> 00:20:48,240
the price and fortunately I figured it

458
00:20:54,890 --> 00:20:51,120
out and now we're copacetic we're good

459
00:20:56,990 --> 00:20:54,900
um yeah go ahead when uh when the

460
00:20:59,029 --> 00:20:57,000
break-in happened

461
00:21:00,289 --> 00:20:59,039
um your electronics are there you're out

462
00:21:03,230 --> 00:21:00,299
working out

463
00:21:05,210 --> 00:21:03,240
yeah was

464
00:21:07,970 --> 00:21:05,220
um was anything accessed on your

465
00:21:09,590 --> 00:21:07,980
computer and was the book maybe

466
00:21:12,529 --> 00:21:09,600
downloaded

467
00:21:16,070 --> 00:21:12,539
well the book wasn't this the book was

468
00:21:18,710 --> 00:21:16,080
just in mid writing but and I I have the

469
00:21:20,390 --> 00:21:18,720
book when I save I save to so many

470
00:21:22,370 --> 00:21:20,400
different places at the same time that

471
00:21:24,470 --> 00:21:22,380
there's no way to get rid of it nobody

472
00:21:27,230 --> 00:21:24,480
in other words you could have read they

473
00:21:30,590 --> 00:21:27,240
could have read well writing about what

474
00:21:32,110 --> 00:21:30,600
developed the next Saturday this was a

475
00:21:34,610 --> 00:21:32,120
Thursday that half-breaking happened

476
00:21:36,470 --> 00:21:34,620
then on Saturday

477
00:21:39,529 --> 00:21:36,480
I was um

478
00:21:40,850 --> 00:21:39,539
sitting in the park with a one of my

479
00:21:43,789 --> 00:21:40,860
grandkids

480
00:21:46,310 --> 00:21:43,799
and all of a sudden

481
00:21:49,130 --> 00:21:46,320
this feeling came over me that I needed

482
00:21:50,870 --> 00:21:49,140
to look at the website and I just had my

483
00:21:52,490 --> 00:21:50,880
phone you know and I thought what are

484
00:21:55,250 --> 00:21:52,500
you thinking about the website for you

485
00:21:57,770 --> 00:21:55,260
it's a beautiful morning

486
00:21:59,090 --> 00:21:57,780
enjoy your child your grandchild for

487
00:22:00,830 --> 00:21:59,100
coming sakes

488
00:22:03,169 --> 00:22:00,840
and um

489
00:22:05,450 --> 00:22:03,179
but I opened my phone and went to the

490
00:22:07,970 --> 00:22:05,460
back back end of the website

491
00:22:09,950 --> 00:22:07,980
and just as I went to the back end of

492
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the website someone

493
00:22:16,010 --> 00:22:11,760
came in

494
00:22:17,649 --> 00:22:16,020
with one of the admin usernames and

495
00:22:23,390 --> 00:22:17,659
started

496
00:22:24,649 --> 00:22:23,400
very quickly and they were using a brute

497
00:22:28,610 --> 00:22:24,659
forcing

498
00:22:31,970 --> 00:22:28,620
program to try to find the password

499
00:22:33,470 --> 00:22:31,980
and so I got a hold of the webmaster I

500
00:22:36,049 --> 00:22:33,480
said this is happening and he said well

501
00:22:39,590 --> 00:22:36,059
let's uh go on to the security system

502
00:22:42,110 --> 00:22:39,600
and close down his IP address and so we

503
00:22:44,149 --> 00:22:42,120
did that seconds later it came back from

504
00:22:46,070 --> 00:22:44,159
another IP address and another and we we

505
00:22:48,529 --> 00:22:46,080
found them all over the world from IP

506
00:22:50,210 --> 00:22:48,539
address to IP address they were flying

507
00:22:52,430 --> 00:22:50,220
and um

508
00:22:55,010 --> 00:22:52,440
finally it stopped

509
00:22:57,169 --> 00:22:55,020
and from the back end in other words

510
00:23:01,870 --> 00:22:57,179
with no emails or anything like that or

511
00:23:05,450 --> 00:23:01,880
no vocal uh the webmaster gave me a new

512
00:23:08,330 --> 00:23:05,460
admin username and

513
00:23:11,930 --> 00:23:08,340
uh password we shut down all of the

514
00:23:14,510 --> 00:23:11,940
others and uh gave everyone who has ACT

515
00:23:16,130 --> 00:23:14,520
back-end access new usernames and

516
00:23:18,049 --> 00:23:16,140
passwords

517
00:23:19,430 --> 00:23:18,059
and um

518
00:23:21,590 --> 00:23:19,440
uh

519
00:23:23,510 --> 00:23:21,600
I got home

520
00:23:25,370 --> 00:23:23,520
and I the first thing I wanted to do was

521
00:23:26,750 --> 00:23:25,380
open my computer and look at the website

522
00:23:28,730 --> 00:23:26,760
from the front end just be sure

523
00:23:30,110 --> 00:23:28,740
everything was still in good shape

524
00:23:31,909 --> 00:23:30,120
because I could we couldn't I couldn't

525
00:23:33,590 --> 00:23:31,919
be absolutely sure although he thought

526
00:23:35,210 --> 00:23:33,600
it was fine

527
00:23:37,909 --> 00:23:35,220
and

528
00:23:39,649 --> 00:23:37,919
the second I entered

529
00:23:41,630 --> 00:23:39,659
the website

530
00:23:44,330 --> 00:23:41,640
they had my password

531
00:23:47,690 --> 00:23:44,340
and my new admin

532
00:23:50,029 --> 00:23:47,700
and they were going to town wrecking the

533
00:23:51,590 --> 00:23:50,039
bookstore and Rec starting to wreck all

534
00:23:52,970 --> 00:23:51,600
the different parts of the website they

535
00:23:56,210 --> 00:23:52,980
could

536
00:23:58,190 --> 00:23:56,220
and we got rid of them

537
00:24:00,169 --> 00:23:58,200
pretty quickly

538
00:24:02,450 --> 00:24:00,179
but it was

539
00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:02,460
amazing

540
00:24:06,230 --> 00:24:05,039
in fact they had when they had come into

541
00:24:09,350 --> 00:24:06,240
the apartment

542
00:24:11,210 --> 00:24:09,360
they'd opened the drawers as a diversion

543
00:24:13,370 --> 00:24:11,220
and put a key logger on the computer

544
00:24:15,710 --> 00:24:13,380
which we later found

545
00:24:19,669 --> 00:24:15,720
now here's a question

546
00:24:21,529 --> 00:24:19,679
why why bother to open the drawers they

547
00:24:23,450 --> 00:24:21,539
there was no other sign that they'd even

548
00:24:24,770 --> 00:24:23,460
entered the apartment

549
00:24:26,690 --> 00:24:24,780
and

550
00:24:29,270 --> 00:24:26,700
they could have put the key logger on

551
00:24:32,810 --> 00:24:29,280
without my even knowing it

552
00:24:34,850 --> 00:24:32,820
see what I mean yeah I did and with no

553
00:24:36,169 --> 00:24:34,860
tip off whatsoever because this wasn't

554
00:24:38,210 --> 00:24:36,179
about

555
00:24:41,630 --> 00:24:38,220
getting into my website wrecking my

556
00:24:44,630 --> 00:24:41,640
website it was about intimidating me

557
00:24:48,950 --> 00:24:44,640
and it got worse because all of a sudden

558
00:24:52,130 --> 00:24:48,960
someone in England who has been on the

559
00:24:54,409 --> 00:24:52,140
website is a fan and dear friend

560
00:24:58,130 --> 00:24:54,419
started to say

561
00:24:59,870 --> 00:24:58,140
they were getting all of their old

562
00:25:02,930 --> 00:24:59,880
emails

563
00:25:05,870 --> 00:25:02,940
from months ago that they sent to people

564
00:25:06,950 --> 00:25:05,880
at random were pouring back onto their

565
00:25:10,130 --> 00:25:06,960
computer and they didn't understand

566
00:25:13,549 --> 00:25:10,140
where they were coming from then

567
00:25:15,649 --> 00:25:13,559
the back end of the website began to

568
00:25:19,610 --> 00:25:15,659
show their email address as one of the

569
00:25:20,930 --> 00:25:19,620
admins suggesting that they were the

570
00:25:22,669 --> 00:25:20,940
culprits

571
00:25:25,370 --> 00:25:22,679
when they weren't

572
00:25:27,529 --> 00:25:25,380
and this is a characteristic of this

573
00:25:30,350 --> 00:25:27,539
level of this

574
00:25:33,590 --> 00:25:30,360
they will always go after

575
00:25:36,110 --> 00:25:33,600
people you to try to drive a wedge

576
00:25:37,730 --> 00:25:36,120
between people you work with and people

577
00:25:40,130 --> 00:25:37,740
you love

578
00:25:43,669 --> 00:25:40,140
that is a characteristic of it so it was

579
00:25:44,630 --> 00:25:43,679
a that's a that's like a signature and

580
00:25:47,570 --> 00:25:44,640
uh

581
00:25:49,190 --> 00:25:47,580
I thought to myself it's then

582
00:25:51,409 --> 00:25:49,200
they're doing this

583
00:25:53,390 --> 00:25:51,419
and they're mad at me

584
00:25:55,669 --> 00:25:53,400
and I'm not going to say too much more

585
00:25:58,850 --> 00:25:55,679
here because I don't want to get mad at

586
00:26:00,590 --> 00:25:58,860
me again no no I don't want that I don't

587
00:26:02,930 --> 00:26:00,600
want that either but

588
00:26:06,590 --> 00:26:02,940
um you

589
00:26:08,570 --> 00:26:06,600
um it must have felt like uh driving

590
00:26:10,070 --> 00:26:08,580
around

591
00:26:12,409 --> 00:26:10,080
um you know in the middle of the

592
00:26:15,310 --> 00:26:12,419
Apocalypse right like the last man

593
00:26:17,690 --> 00:26:15,320
standing in a black and white sepia tone

594
00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:17,700
Dreamscape oh I just said the name of

595
00:26:24,890 --> 00:26:21,840
your in a Dreamland right with with no

596
00:26:28,070 --> 00:26:24,900
with no way out

597
00:26:31,190 --> 00:26:28,080
it must be a pretty helpless feeling

598
00:26:33,169 --> 00:26:31,200
it was awful yeah and it still is

599
00:26:35,649 --> 00:26:33,179
frankly and and I started leading the

600
00:26:39,230 --> 00:26:35,659
country as often as possible

601
00:26:43,669 --> 00:26:39,240
so back to the book because that's when

602
00:26:46,909 --> 00:26:43,679
this happened uh uh we were and I I

603
00:26:48,890 --> 00:26:46,919
forget oh I I remember I was inviting

604
00:26:51,529 --> 00:26:48,900
you over for dinner and you said no

605
00:26:54,350 --> 00:26:51,539
church I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm blowing this

606
00:26:56,390 --> 00:26:54,360
Popsicle stand and I said I said what's

607
00:27:00,049 --> 00:26:56,400
going on you said man I gotta I gotta

608
00:27:02,210 --> 00:27:00,059
finish this book and so I'm just gonna

609
00:27:05,210 --> 00:27:02,220
leave the country uh for a few months

610
00:27:08,330 --> 00:27:05,220
and and I'm just gonna this book is too

611
00:27:10,070 --> 00:27:08,340
important and I I just I need to get out

612
00:27:12,950 --> 00:27:10,080
of here and you did it was like two days

613
00:27:15,169 --> 00:27:12,960
later uh out of the country

614
00:27:17,210 --> 00:27:15,179
I found some friends

615
00:27:19,430 --> 00:27:17,220
who have been on my website for years

616
00:27:22,190 --> 00:27:19,440
and are good friends and

617
00:27:23,029 --> 00:27:22,200
so I wrote the book basically in their

618
00:27:25,430 --> 00:27:23,039
kitchen

619
00:27:27,409 --> 00:27:25,440
with you know the kids running around

620
00:27:30,590 --> 00:27:27,419
rock and roll music playing and the dogs

621
00:27:33,769 --> 00:27:30,600
capering around and uh and me sitting

622
00:27:35,269 --> 00:27:33,779
there in a corner typing away and I

623
00:27:37,850 --> 00:27:35,279
wrote the book there

624
00:27:42,169 --> 00:27:37,860
and it was good because you know I was

625
00:27:44,930 --> 00:27:42,179
in a nice family home and uh with people

626
00:27:46,789 --> 00:27:44,940
who were have been who've been who know

627
00:27:48,830 --> 00:27:46,799
my work well and have been friends and

628
00:27:50,409 --> 00:27:48,840
you know I'm a very friendly person I

629
00:27:52,490 --> 00:27:50,419
don't I'm not

630
00:27:54,289 --> 00:27:52,500
ceremonial I'm not into the whole

631
00:27:57,409 --> 00:27:54,299
celebrity stick at all

632
00:28:00,970 --> 00:27:57,419
uh so I don't have a big car

633
00:28:05,149 --> 00:28:00,980
no no nothing like that so

634
00:28:07,730 --> 00:28:05,159
uh they uh it was uh it was a good good

635
00:28:10,250 --> 00:28:07,740
situation and you know I'm back here now

636
00:28:13,010 --> 00:28:10,260
and I'm in a little flat now I'm not in

637
00:28:14,390 --> 00:28:13,020
anyone's home because you know you can't

638
00:28:17,090 --> 00:28:14,400
you don't know where at your welcome

639
00:28:21,590 --> 00:28:17,100
yeah you don't want to do that what's it

640
00:28:25,130 --> 00:28:21,600
like let me ask you uh uh what's it like

641
00:28:26,149 --> 00:28:25,140
when you get as a writer when you get in

642
00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:26,159
the zone

643
00:28:31,130 --> 00:28:28,320
right you don't have any blight nothing

644
00:28:34,490 --> 00:28:31,140
is in your way right nothing all of a

645
00:28:37,250 --> 00:28:34,500
sudden you can't stop right what's it

646
00:28:40,310 --> 00:28:37,260
like when you get in the zone Zone

647
00:28:42,590 --> 00:28:40,320
Jimmy it's wonderful that is

648
00:28:44,450 --> 00:28:42,600
one of the reasons every writer writes

649
00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:44,460
because

650
00:28:49,909 --> 00:28:47,520
you you know you're doing it right all

651
00:28:50,690 --> 00:28:49,919
of a sudden and this is what is meant to

652
00:28:54,350 --> 00:28:50,700
be

653
00:28:57,289 --> 00:28:54,360
and there's this it starts to sing out

654
00:28:58,669 --> 00:28:57,299
of you at least to me and you know

655
00:29:01,669 --> 00:28:58,679
there's other Chimes when you're

656
00:29:03,890 --> 00:29:01,679
struggling to make every you know to

657
00:29:07,370 --> 00:29:03,900
to hang two words together

658
00:29:08,049 --> 00:29:07,380
but this this was not like that

659
00:29:11,510 --> 00:29:08,059
um

660
00:29:13,730 --> 00:29:11,520
you can't hang two words together that's

661
00:29:17,510 --> 00:29:13,740
gotta be awful

662
00:29:20,510 --> 00:29:17,520
um but but uh you came back

663
00:29:21,830 --> 00:29:20,520
um and uh and you told me you said I

664
00:29:24,649 --> 00:29:21,840
finished the book

665
00:29:28,190 --> 00:29:24,659
yeah and and realistically speaking this

666
00:29:30,529 --> 00:29:28,200
wasn't that long ago no no this wasn't

667
00:29:32,389 --> 00:29:30,539
that long ago and I said and I asked I

668
00:29:34,490 --> 00:29:32,399
said are you happy you said uh Jimmy

669
00:29:37,490 --> 00:29:34,500
it's just it came out of me I got it

670
00:29:41,330 --> 00:29:37,500
done and and I'm very happy

671
00:29:46,190 --> 00:29:41,340
um and so would you say that that the

672
00:29:49,130 --> 00:29:46,200
time away uh from not only the issues of

673
00:29:50,750 --> 00:29:49,140
what was going on at your home but uh

674
00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:50,760
also the other distractions of the

675
00:29:55,070 --> 00:29:52,320
United States and and everything else

676
00:29:58,669 --> 00:29:55,080
where you can just go and and be Whitley

677
00:30:00,529 --> 00:29:58,679
right well I yeah my life distractions I

678
00:30:02,149 --> 00:30:00,539
mean I have a lot of friends and I'm

679
00:30:06,470 --> 00:30:02,159
always running around and

680
00:30:07,909 --> 00:30:06,480
uh you know and used to call it toaster

681
00:30:09,649 --> 00:30:07,919
polishing

682
00:30:11,149 --> 00:30:09,659
she you know because I was doing

683
00:30:12,830 --> 00:30:11,159
anything but right

684
00:30:14,930 --> 00:30:12,840
and she would say Whitley what are you

685
00:30:16,850 --> 00:30:14,940
doing and I'd say well I'm fixing such

686
00:30:18,769 --> 00:30:16,860
as I said Whitley your toaster polish

687
00:30:20,169 --> 00:30:18,779
and go back in the office and get to

688
00:30:23,510 --> 00:30:20,179
work

689
00:30:25,610 --> 00:30:23,520
so but you know I can't do too much HOSA

690
00:30:27,769 --> 00:30:25,620
polishing when there's no toasters so

691
00:30:29,090 --> 00:30:27,779
I'm in good shape here

692
00:30:33,769 --> 00:30:29,100
um

693
00:30:36,110 --> 00:30:33,779
and but I you know I I had to get this

694
00:30:37,610 --> 00:30:36,120
book book right

695
00:30:40,630 --> 00:30:37,620
because it's

696
00:30:43,370 --> 00:30:40,640
you know it's all of my work is sort of

697
00:30:45,110 --> 00:30:43,380
sort of somewhat under the radar right

698
00:30:47,750 --> 00:30:45,120
now although this book appears to be

699
00:30:49,010 --> 00:30:47,760
breaking out I must admit

700
00:30:50,810 --> 00:30:49,020
um

701
00:30:56,210 --> 00:30:50,820
and

702
00:31:02,389 --> 00:30:58,990
if this ever

703
00:31:04,789 --> 00:31:02,399
coalesces to the point

704
00:31:06,049 --> 00:31:04,799
where someone is saying there is a

705
00:31:09,350 --> 00:31:06,059
connection

706
00:31:12,590 --> 00:31:09,360
between the stories of the various

707
00:31:15,950 --> 00:31:12,600
contact stories and

708
00:31:17,810 --> 00:31:15,960
the UFOs uaps I guess we call them now

709
00:31:19,730 --> 00:31:17,820
flying around in the sky

710
00:31:20,750 --> 00:31:19,740
this book is going to become vitally

711
00:31:22,130 --> 00:31:20,760
important

712
00:31:24,590 --> 00:31:22,140
because

713
00:31:27,950 --> 00:31:24,600
using the book

714
00:31:30,110 --> 00:31:27,960
it's possible to understand

715
00:31:32,870 --> 00:31:30,120
something about

716
00:31:35,330 --> 00:31:32,880
this presence that is here and you know

717
00:31:37,789 --> 00:31:35,340
I don't divide it into different species

718
00:31:40,010 --> 00:31:37,799
from different planets and stuff because

719
00:31:43,490 --> 00:31:40,020
I'm only going to talk about things I

720
00:31:45,409 --> 00:31:43,500
can prove not about things I've heard or

721
00:31:47,810 --> 00:31:45,419
heard from some whistleblower or

722
00:31:51,230 --> 00:31:47,820
something like that no way I'm going to

723
00:31:54,830 --> 00:31:51,240
talk about things I personally know

724
00:31:56,210 --> 00:31:54,840
and what I know is there is a presence

725
00:31:58,669 --> 00:31:56,220
here

726
00:32:03,769 --> 00:31:58,679
it is very strange

727
00:32:06,710 --> 00:32:03,779
it is very evolved it is very subtle

728
00:32:08,330 --> 00:32:06,720
and it appears to be having a great deal

729
00:32:11,029 --> 00:32:08,340
of trouble communicating with us

730
00:32:13,669 --> 00:32:11,039
coherently on one level

731
00:32:17,510 --> 00:32:13,679
on another level it is

732
00:32:20,950 --> 00:32:17,520
communicating with us and influencing us

733
00:32:24,950 --> 00:32:20,960
very profoundly and very directly

734
00:32:26,750 --> 00:32:24,960
it they don't talk they do things by

735
00:32:30,409 --> 00:32:26,760
demonstration

736
00:32:33,649 --> 00:32:30,419
and like what happened to me was a

737
00:32:35,870 --> 00:32:33,659
perfect example and it mirrors all the

738
00:32:37,789 --> 00:32:35,880
conflicts other conflicts the military's

739
00:32:41,510 --> 00:32:37,799
had a lot of conflicts in this this

740
00:32:44,090 --> 00:32:41,520
stuff with this stuff and the way these

741
00:32:47,450 --> 00:32:44,100
conflicts work are all the same

742
00:32:49,990 --> 00:32:47,460
it is someone trying to demonstrate

743
00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:50,000
their displeasure at something

744
00:32:55,970 --> 00:32:52,799
rather than to say no we want don't want

745
00:32:58,610 --> 00:32:55,980
you to do this no this is dangerous no

746
00:33:02,570 --> 00:32:58,620
this is we don't want this they will

747
00:33:05,870 --> 00:33:02,580
demonstrate it by example and that's why

748
00:33:08,090 --> 00:33:05,880
they they don't go to Washington and say

749
00:33:09,649 --> 00:33:08,100
and Moscow and say watch out for these

750
00:33:11,570 --> 00:33:09,659
nukes you're going to get this get this

751
00:33:15,049 --> 00:33:11,580
is going to get out of hand they go to

752
00:33:18,350 --> 00:33:15,059
the facilities and they demonstrate the

753
00:33:21,649 --> 00:33:18,360
dangers and their power by doing things

754
00:33:24,230 --> 00:33:21,659
like uh causing that facility in Russia

755
00:33:27,769 --> 00:33:24,240
to start to count down to a launch on

756
00:33:30,409 --> 00:33:27,779
its own and causing facilities in this

757
00:33:33,169 --> 00:33:30,419
country to have their missiles

758
00:33:35,450 --> 00:33:33,179
retargeted uh

759
00:33:39,230 --> 00:33:35,460
they that's what they do

760
00:33:42,169 --> 00:33:39,240
and in my life that's exactly what they

761
00:33:44,149 --> 00:33:42,179
did they demonstrated displeasure they

762
00:33:46,549 --> 00:33:44,159
didn't say anything they demonstrated a

763
00:33:48,590 --> 00:33:46,559
disclosure and is that because they

764
00:33:51,110 --> 00:33:48,600
can't say anything or because we can't

765
00:33:53,330 --> 00:33:51,120
hear them I think it's because we can't

766
00:33:56,810 --> 00:33:53,340
hear them I agree with you I think we

767
00:34:00,230 --> 00:33:56,820
can't hear them yeah we can't Whitley

768
00:34:02,710 --> 00:34:00,240
let me let me lay something out uh uh

769
00:34:06,710 --> 00:34:02,720
and and tie this into your experiences

770
00:34:10,730 --> 00:34:06,720
we like to think today that we have a

771
00:34:13,490 --> 00:34:10,740
grip and that we're smart and that an

772
00:34:15,829 --> 00:34:13,500
hour knowledge goes from you know like

773
00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:15,839
electrons and quarks you know the very

774
00:34:19,250 --> 00:34:17,520
small all the way to the edge of the

775
00:34:20,930 --> 00:34:19,260
universe and the very big right and then

776
00:34:23,990 --> 00:34:20,940
and we're trying to learn about

777
00:34:27,169 --> 00:34:24,000
everything in between but to be

778
00:34:29,450 --> 00:34:27,179
perfectly Frank the most of everything

779
00:34:32,510 --> 00:34:29,460
that is in between we know nothing about

780
00:34:34,190 --> 00:34:32,520
Dark Matter Dark Energy so much so that

781
00:34:36,829 --> 00:34:34,200
we just call it dark we don't even know

782
00:34:39,290 --> 00:34:36,839
what it is we can't measure we can't and

783
00:34:44,329 --> 00:34:39,300
and we think we know a lot but actually

784
00:34:46,070 --> 00:34:44,339
we don't know much at all they do you

785
00:34:48,349 --> 00:34:46,080
know and if somebody we've got three

786
00:34:50,570 --> 00:34:48,359
year 100 Years of science behind us

787
00:34:52,730 --> 00:34:50,580
right since Newton you know today you

788
00:34:54,470 --> 00:34:52,740
said let's call it 300 years

789
00:34:58,609 --> 00:34:54,480
um but if you're dealing with the

790
00:35:02,329 --> 00:34:58,619
species that is a billion years Advanced

791
00:35:05,089 --> 00:35:02,339
on physics than we are and surely we

792
00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:05,099
don't understand and we can't hear them

793
00:35:11,210 --> 00:35:08,400
it that has to be the play here

794
00:35:13,730 --> 00:35:11,220
um and it would be by demonstration it

795
00:35:16,670 --> 00:35:13,740
we wouldn't be able to understand even

796
00:35:23,329 --> 00:35:20,150
I think that's right I think also

797
00:35:25,550 --> 00:35:23,339
that you reach a point

798
00:35:27,290 --> 00:35:25,560
I would guess

799
00:35:29,210 --> 00:35:27,300
in your development where you know

800
00:35:31,490 --> 00:35:29,220
essentially everything

801
00:35:33,710 --> 00:35:31,500
and it may be

802
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:33,720
that if you're not careful you stumble

803
00:35:40,250 --> 00:35:36,480
into knowledge of the future as well

804
00:35:43,970 --> 00:35:40,260
right right so you know the future and

805
00:35:47,930 --> 00:35:43,980
the past right and if that's true

806
00:35:51,050 --> 00:35:47,940
then you are no longer alive because you

807
00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:51,060
can't have new experience you're dead

808
00:35:58,130 --> 00:35:53,520
but still moving

809
00:36:01,010 --> 00:35:58,140
and that could be I think maybe one of

810
00:36:02,390 --> 00:36:01,020
the reasons they're here yeah wouldn't

811
00:36:04,609 --> 00:36:02,400
it that would that would kind of suck

812
00:36:09,170 --> 00:36:04,619
that would be a nightmare it would be

813
00:36:12,170 --> 00:36:09,180
nice to be trapped in a reality never

814
00:36:17,270 --> 00:36:12,180
able never able to experience anything

815
00:36:19,730 --> 00:36:17,280
new or no surprises no wonder but you

816
00:36:23,930 --> 00:36:19,740
and I and all of us in this world and

817
00:36:27,050 --> 00:36:23,940
the way we are everything is always new

818
00:36:30,109 --> 00:36:27,060
fresh we for all we know we could be

819
00:36:32,810 --> 00:36:30,119
riding a rail and down a going down a

820
00:36:35,210 --> 00:36:32,820
track that is absolutely never going to

821
00:36:38,690 --> 00:36:35,220
change we're on our track

822
00:36:42,410 --> 00:36:38,700
but that's not how we perceive it we

823
00:36:46,430 --> 00:36:42,420
perceive it as new always every instant

824
00:36:49,490 --> 00:36:46,440
is new and then it goes racing back into

825
00:36:51,770 --> 00:36:49,500
the past as becomes old and becomes and

826
00:36:52,970 --> 00:36:51,780
even as we're talking it's happening

827
00:36:56,270 --> 00:36:52,980
right now

828
00:36:59,510 --> 00:36:56,280
and you know there was an article in the

829
00:37:01,490 --> 00:36:59,520
magazine science in April of 1977 which

830
00:37:05,410 --> 00:37:01,500
I think is very important

831
00:37:07,970 --> 00:37:05,420
by the two great uh uh

832
00:37:10,270 --> 00:37:07,980
astrophysicists I believe I I forget

833
00:37:13,370 --> 00:37:10,280
exactly what their titles were

834
00:37:16,069 --> 00:37:13,380
dbh Kuiper who I guess he was an

835
00:37:18,170 --> 00:37:16,079
astronomer he he discovered the Kuiper

836
00:37:20,930 --> 00:37:18,180
belt the uh

837
00:37:24,650 --> 00:37:20,940
of asteroids and uh

838
00:37:25,569 --> 00:37:24,660
I mean of radiation and

839
00:37:30,190 --> 00:37:25,579
um

840
00:37:33,950 --> 00:37:30,200
Michael Mark Morris another great

841
00:37:36,710 --> 00:37:33,960
science scientist and they speculated in

842
00:37:39,890 --> 00:37:38,030
about

843
00:37:41,930 --> 00:37:39,900
whether or not someone who came here

844
00:37:44,030 --> 00:37:41,940
from another world would be secretive or

845
00:37:46,370 --> 00:37:44,040
not and they concluded that they would

846
00:37:48,349 --> 00:37:46,380
be and they would be because they would

847
00:37:52,790 --> 00:37:48,359
only be here for one reason

848
00:37:56,270 --> 00:37:52,800
and that would be to experience our

849
00:37:58,910 --> 00:37:56,280
innovations that what for us was new

850
00:38:01,190 --> 00:37:58,920
they they wouldn't be interested in in

851
00:38:03,650 --> 00:38:01,200
our science obviously because our

852
00:38:06,829 --> 00:38:03,660
science would be Child's Play to them

853
00:38:08,630 --> 00:38:06,839
and they wouldn't be interested in

854
00:38:10,069 --> 00:38:08,640
communicating with us because they

855
00:38:12,310 --> 00:38:10,079
probably would know how that would end

856
00:38:16,990 --> 00:38:12,320
they've probably done that many times

857
00:38:19,310 --> 00:38:17,000
but they would be interested in our

858
00:38:21,730 --> 00:38:19,320
self-discovery and our discovery of the

859
00:38:25,550 --> 00:38:21,740
world around us in watching that

860
00:38:28,210 --> 00:38:25,560
therefore they would hide and they would

861
00:38:31,150 --> 00:38:28,220
watch us just like an anthropologist

862
00:38:34,130 --> 00:38:31,160
will back when we had

863
00:38:36,829 --> 00:38:34,140
untouched tribes in the world they would

864
00:38:39,829 --> 00:38:36,839
try to stay back so that the people

865
00:38:42,650 --> 00:38:39,839
wouldn't engage with them and so that

866
00:38:44,770 --> 00:38:42,660
they could observe what their real lives

867
00:38:47,630 --> 00:38:44,780
were like

868
00:38:48,770 --> 00:38:47,640
when you watch your grandchild learn to

869
00:38:50,510 --> 00:38:48,780
ride a bike

870
00:38:52,190 --> 00:38:50,520
you're not you're not discovering

871
00:38:55,310 --> 00:38:52,200
anything new you already know how to

872
00:38:59,030 --> 00:38:55,320
ride a bike but you need to experience

873
00:39:00,470 --> 00:38:59,040
it right through your grandchild and

874
00:39:03,170 --> 00:39:00,480
we're doing the same thing here as

875
00:39:05,569 --> 00:39:03,180
humans aren't we we're trying to

876
00:39:07,730 --> 00:39:05,579
discover exoplanet to more exoplanets

877
00:39:10,609 --> 00:39:07,740
we're trying to figure out the alien

878
00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:10,619
life that's possibly out there and we

879
00:39:16,069 --> 00:39:12,960
have tests in the James Webb Space tell

880
00:39:18,170 --> 00:39:16,079
that's what we're doing we want to go

881
00:39:20,150 --> 00:39:18,180
and see where everybody else is at and

882
00:39:22,550 --> 00:39:20,160
that's that that makes perfect sense to

883
00:39:26,089 --> 00:39:22,560
me Whitley perfect yeah perfect sense

884
00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:26,099
and and we we and we're we're the New

885
00:39:31,190 --> 00:39:29,040
Kids on the Block compared to them and

886
00:39:33,589 --> 00:39:31,200
you know they are

887
00:39:36,710 --> 00:39:33,599
and yet they've got a problem

888
00:39:40,849 --> 00:39:36,720
and the problem is this

889
00:39:41,930 --> 00:39:40,859
what we are in danger from two

890
00:39:45,410 --> 00:39:41,940
directions

891
00:39:47,030 --> 00:39:45,420
from nuking each other and from

892
00:39:50,210 --> 00:39:47,040
I'm not going to call it climate change

893
00:39:55,790 --> 00:39:50,220
because it's uh that's such a loaded

894
00:39:58,569 --> 00:39:55,800
phrase uh but from a change in

895
00:40:02,510 --> 00:39:58,579
the environment which is in part

896
00:40:05,450 --> 00:40:02,520
induced probably by our activities in

897
00:40:07,310 --> 00:40:05,460
this part in part is part of Nature and

898
00:40:09,470 --> 00:40:07,320
I say that pretty certainly because

899
00:40:10,670 --> 00:40:09,480
we've we live in a period and we have

900
00:40:13,310 --> 00:40:10,680
for the past

901
00:40:15,290 --> 00:40:13,320
to 2.8 million years

902
00:40:18,050 --> 00:40:15,300
where there are long periods where the

903
00:40:21,530 --> 00:40:18,060
plant is encrusted in ice and short

904
00:40:24,050 --> 00:40:21,540
periods of interglacial and we're

905
00:40:26,810 --> 00:40:24,060
at the end of an interglacial and there

906
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:26,820
all these upheavals are starting again

907
00:40:30,170 --> 00:40:28,079
so

908
00:40:32,030 --> 00:40:30,180
whatever happens over the next couple of

909
00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:32,040
hundred years this is going to change a

910
00:40:35,450 --> 00:40:32,880
lot

911
00:40:38,329 --> 00:40:35,460
and maybe it's going to be very

912
00:40:40,250 --> 00:40:38,339
destructive of us and maybe during the

913
00:40:42,530 --> 00:40:40,260
context of that with all the pressure

914
00:40:45,710 --> 00:40:42,540
we're under there may be a nuclear

915
00:40:47,150 --> 00:40:45,720
exchange just like this threatening now

916
00:40:49,250 --> 00:40:47,160
frankly

917
00:40:51,470 --> 00:40:49,260
and they may know that

918
00:40:54,050 --> 00:40:51,480
and they may

919
00:40:56,270 --> 00:40:54,060
think be thinking to themselves

920
00:40:59,210 --> 00:40:56,280
how do we

921
00:41:00,609 --> 00:40:59,220
help them out of this piccolarian

922
00:41:03,170 --> 00:41:00,619
without

923
00:41:05,810 --> 00:41:03,180
destroying our own

924
00:41:08,630 --> 00:41:05,820
reason for being here because the second

925
00:41:10,670 --> 00:41:08,640
we expose ourselves to them even a

926
00:41:11,630 --> 00:41:10,680
little bit even basically for five

927
00:41:15,829 --> 00:41:11,640
minutes

928
00:41:17,630 --> 00:41:15,839
their entire culture turns toward us

929
00:41:18,890 --> 00:41:17,640
this is something called cultural

930
00:41:20,990 --> 00:41:18,900
colonization

931
00:41:23,930 --> 00:41:21,000
and we're not interested in our

932
00:41:26,750 --> 00:41:23,940
Innovations anymore we want those flying

933
00:41:28,670 --> 00:41:26,760
saucers we want that anti-gravity we

934
00:41:30,290 --> 00:41:28,680
want that incredible metal that they

935
00:41:34,010 --> 00:41:30,300
have we don't want all of us we want

936
00:41:36,710 --> 00:41:34,020
their lifespans we want their ability to

937
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:36,720
to communicate telepathically we want

938
00:41:40,490 --> 00:41:38,640
all of their stuff our stuff doesn't

939
00:41:43,130 --> 00:41:40,500
matter anymore because it's stupid and

940
00:41:46,730 --> 00:41:43,140
childish we want their stuff this

941
00:41:49,190 --> 00:41:46,740
happened all around planet Earth as the

942
00:41:52,430 --> 00:41:49,200
Europeans with their more impressive

943
00:41:54,950 --> 00:41:52,440
technology went around the world and

944
00:41:57,050 --> 00:41:54,960
touched these other civilizations the

945
00:42:00,829 --> 00:41:57,060
other civilizations felt disempowered

946
00:42:03,770 --> 00:42:00,839
and they ceased to innovate on their own

947
00:42:06,950 --> 00:42:03,780
and that's exactly what they are afraid

948
00:42:09,950 --> 00:42:06,960
of and it's it is I think the one of the

949
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:09,960
reasons they hide not the only reason

950
00:42:13,010 --> 00:42:12,240
because there's some darker reasons for

951
00:42:15,109 --> 00:42:13,020
sure

952
00:42:16,010 --> 00:42:15,119
but it is one of the main reasons they

953
00:42:19,089 --> 00:42:16,020
hide

954
00:42:22,310 --> 00:42:19,099
why do we always want

955
00:42:28,730 --> 00:42:22,320
uh somebody else to fix our problems

956
00:42:31,490 --> 00:42:28,740
right why because they seem unfixable

957
00:42:35,329 --> 00:42:31,500
they seem unfixable I was riding along

958
00:42:37,069 --> 00:42:35,339
in my car I got a a new Toyota

959
00:42:39,890 --> 00:42:37,079
a couple of years ago

960
00:42:43,370 --> 00:42:39,900
it had 4 000 miles on it

961
00:42:45,950 --> 00:42:43,380
and one of the tires disintegrated

962
00:42:47,810 --> 00:42:45,960
and now you know I obviously Toyota

963
00:42:49,430 --> 00:42:47,820
wasn't putting the most fabulous tires

964
00:42:51,349 --> 00:42:49,440
on its new cars

965
00:42:52,970 --> 00:42:51,359
I mean if I build a beautiful car and

966
00:42:55,130 --> 00:42:52,980
then put cheap tires on it but they do

967
00:42:57,470 --> 00:42:55,140
that that's one of the worst habits of

968
00:42:59,569 --> 00:42:57,480
all the auto auto companies anyway

969
00:43:01,730 --> 00:42:59,579
I could not figure out how to fix that

970
00:43:03,410 --> 00:43:01,740
thing as it turned out I didn't need to

971
00:43:05,990 --> 00:43:03,420
worry about it because

972
00:43:08,530 --> 00:43:06,000
when the guy from AAA came and opened

973
00:43:11,510 --> 00:43:08,540
the trunk it turned out it had no spare

974
00:43:15,230 --> 00:43:11,520
the car was

975
00:43:18,170 --> 00:43:15,240
was shipped shipped with a little kit

976
00:43:19,790 --> 00:43:18,180
you know with a with some Chunk in it

977
00:43:22,550 --> 00:43:19,800
that you stick in the tire to blow it up

978
00:43:24,890 --> 00:43:22,560
again right when the tires in pieces on

979
00:43:27,530 --> 00:43:24,900
the highway behind you that is not going

980
00:43:30,650 --> 00:43:27,540
to be helpful no no so

981
00:43:33,050 --> 00:43:30,660
so uh that was complicated but but in

982
00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:33,060
any case it was all somebody else I

983
00:43:36,290 --> 00:43:34,560
couldn't fix anything any of that I

984
00:43:40,069 --> 00:43:36,300
couldn't even change the tire at this

985
00:43:42,109 --> 00:43:40,079
point in my life uh and if even I had a

986
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:42,119
spirit of change I would have called AAA

987
00:43:46,730 --> 00:43:44,400
and we're all like that I have no idea

988
00:43:49,010 --> 00:43:46,740
how our computer works none

989
00:43:51,530 --> 00:43:49,020
and uh I know people who can explain

990
00:43:54,950 --> 00:43:51,540
very clearly why AI is not intelligent

991
00:43:56,750 --> 00:43:54,960
how it works but I'm not one of them and

992
00:43:58,790 --> 00:43:56,760
you're not one of them no

993
00:44:03,290 --> 00:43:58,800
I mean I look inside this computer and I

994
00:44:06,109 --> 00:44:03,300
have not the slightest idea how it works

995
00:44:07,430 --> 00:44:06,119
what all the little doodads in it mean

996
00:44:10,490 --> 00:44:07,440
or anything

997
00:44:13,849 --> 00:44:10,500
you know if a virus if a virus I have to

998
00:44:20,150 --> 00:44:13,859
wonder about this but let's say a virus

999
00:44:22,970 --> 00:44:20,160
killed all of the software and uh

1000
00:44:25,970 --> 00:44:22,980
industrial engineers in the world right

1001
00:44:28,490 --> 00:44:25,980
and only people like you and I are left

1002
00:44:31,069 --> 00:44:28,500
do you know how long it would be till we

1003
00:44:34,550 --> 00:44:31,079
saw another cell phone

1004
00:44:37,790 --> 00:44:34,560
like 10 000 years it would be awesome we

1005
00:44:41,329 --> 00:44:37,800
would time we would be helpless it would

1006
00:44:43,670 --> 00:44:41,339
be completely helpless did you um I I

1007
00:44:47,030 --> 00:44:43,680
don't know if you caught this news

1008
00:44:49,910 --> 00:44:47,040
um I reported on this yesterday Ford

1009
00:44:51,890 --> 00:44:49,920
now this goes along with Volvo and

1010
00:44:53,630 --> 00:44:51,900
Volkswagen and a bunch of other car

1011
00:44:56,510 --> 00:44:53,640
manufacturers around the world what Ford

1012
00:44:59,569 --> 00:44:56,520
announced uh yesterday

1013
00:45:06,230 --> 00:44:59,579
starting now on all of their vehicles

1014
00:45:10,370 --> 00:45:08,809
right no more AM radio

1015
00:45:13,010 --> 00:45:10,380
not to myself

1016
00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:13,020
I mean there's still a lot of AM radio

1017
00:45:17,210 --> 00:45:14,400
in this country but then I thought about

1018
00:45:19,730 --> 00:45:17,220
I thought about Coast to Coast

1019
00:45:22,250 --> 00:45:19,740
yeah me too yeah

1020
00:45:24,010 --> 00:45:22,260
coast to coast in their car

1021
00:45:26,809 --> 00:45:24,020
a long lot

1022
00:45:29,329 --> 00:45:26,819
but they do that I don't understand what

1023
00:45:30,490 --> 00:45:29,339
are they saving money by not having AM

1024
00:45:33,410 --> 00:45:30,500
radio

1025
00:45:35,030 --> 00:45:33,420
there's just another idea of what how

1026
00:45:37,670 --> 00:45:35,040
how are we going to annoy the customers

1027
00:45:40,130 --> 00:45:37,680
and show our power over right let's

1028
00:45:42,410 --> 00:45:40,140
let's take out something they like even

1029
00:45:44,690 --> 00:45:42,420
though it it's probably more costly to

1030
00:45:45,970 --> 00:45:44,700
take it out than to leave it in and and

1031
00:45:48,890 --> 00:45:45,980
and

1032
00:45:50,569 --> 00:45:48,900
the association you know that you know

1033
00:45:53,210 --> 00:45:50,579
all the automakers that hang out with

1034
00:45:55,670 --> 00:45:53,220
each other and and discuss things they

1035
00:45:58,370 --> 00:45:55,680
said that well basically everybody's

1036
00:46:00,950 --> 00:45:58,380
streaming anyway and you're streaming

1037
00:46:02,390 --> 00:46:00,960
with your phone and you're using Apple

1038
00:46:04,730 --> 00:46:02,400
carplay

1039
00:46:08,750 --> 00:46:04,740
and you're just plugging in so we're

1040
00:46:10,910 --> 00:46:08,760
just gonna go with that and and you know

1041
00:46:13,190 --> 00:46:10,920
it's like the future but the first step

1042
00:46:17,510 --> 00:46:13,200
first thing to go

1043
00:46:20,210 --> 00:46:17,520
um is uh is the am AM radio button is is

1044
00:46:24,290 --> 00:46:20,220
gone that's crazy isn't it

1045
00:46:26,450 --> 00:46:24,300
is bizarre it's annoying if you know

1046
00:46:28,250 --> 00:46:26,460
it's like this business of the most cars

1047
00:46:30,829 --> 00:46:28,260
no longer have spare tires which I found

1048
00:46:33,890 --> 00:46:30,839
out the hard way I can't affix it flat

1049
00:46:36,530 --> 00:46:33,900
what is that good I mean yeah it's a can

1050
00:46:39,290 --> 00:46:36,540
of Fix-A-Flat instead of a spare tire oh

1051
00:46:40,309 --> 00:46:39,300
come on I mean guys I mean this this is

1052
00:46:43,309 --> 00:46:40,319
so

1053
00:46:50,329 --> 00:46:43,319
little

1054
00:46:52,550 --> 00:46:50,339
and you know they just seem to I I don't

1055
00:46:54,829 --> 00:46:52,560
know they can't help it they because

1056
00:46:58,609 --> 00:46:54,839
it's not just it's dozens of different

1057
00:47:00,829 --> 00:46:58,619
businesses and uh always nickeling and

1058
00:47:03,170 --> 00:47:00,839
diming you to death and you know

1059
00:47:06,410 --> 00:47:03,180
nowadays you get on an airplane and

1060
00:47:08,089 --> 00:47:06,420
it's such a miserable experience I like

1061
00:47:10,370 --> 00:47:08,099
to travel but I sure as hell don't like

1062
00:47:12,230 --> 00:47:10,380
to fly yeah now it's the worst it was

1063
00:47:15,829 --> 00:47:12,240
it's the worst

1064
00:47:17,750 --> 00:47:15,839
um and and here's um uh talking I'm

1065
00:47:21,410 --> 00:47:17,760
gonna swing this back to E.T but it's

1066
00:47:23,750 --> 00:47:21,420
the same subject and which is this

1067
00:47:26,710 --> 00:47:23,760
um we you know we have no more rabbit

1068
00:47:29,450 --> 00:47:26,720
ears right there's no more

1069
00:47:32,089 --> 00:47:29,460
uh uh television you know everything is

1070
00:47:33,770 --> 00:47:32,099
digital everything is is light piped

1071
00:47:35,150 --> 00:47:33,780
everything is Optical everything is in

1072
00:47:36,950 --> 00:47:35,160
the ground everything is a digital

1073
00:47:40,250 --> 00:47:36,960
stream now

1074
00:47:42,050 --> 00:47:40,260
um and and in the case of anything going

1075
00:47:45,410 --> 00:47:42,060
whack

1076
00:47:47,150 --> 00:47:45,420
um we don't it's it's like we we won't

1077
00:47:49,190 --> 00:47:47,160
have radio you're not going to be able

1078
00:47:51,890 --> 00:47:49,200
to turn on your TV if something goes

1079
00:47:53,870 --> 00:47:51,900
crazy because the digital services are

1080
00:47:58,130 --> 00:47:53,880
down but it's also

1081
00:48:00,530 --> 00:47:58,140
not broadcasting out to ET they're not

1082
00:48:02,510 --> 00:48:00,540
picking up because everything is now in

1083
00:48:05,630 --> 00:48:02,520
ground is that one of the reasons that

1084
00:48:07,730 --> 00:48:05,640
you think that uh possibly we're not

1085
00:48:10,609 --> 00:48:07,740
picking up a bunch of ET signals because

1086
00:48:12,829 --> 00:48:10,619
yeah I think I think I think it probably

1087
00:48:15,230 --> 00:48:12,839
is first of all the only signals that

1088
00:48:18,349 --> 00:48:15,240
we've ever produced that would that

1089
00:48:22,270 --> 00:48:18,359
would penetrate out into into space

1090
00:48:24,770 --> 00:48:22,280
beyond the atmosphere television signals

1091
00:48:28,190 --> 00:48:24,780
uh interestingly enough the first thing

1092
00:48:31,609 --> 00:48:28,200
I think we might find from ET would be

1093
00:48:33,970 --> 00:48:31,619
fragments of a television show uh

1094
00:48:36,290 --> 00:48:33,980
from us from another world that would be

1095
00:48:38,390 --> 00:48:36,300
fantastically cool I have to tell you

1096
00:48:41,569 --> 00:48:38,400
but um

1097
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:41,579
the outer limits or something right

1098
00:48:46,910 --> 00:48:43,920
exactly their version of The Outer

1099
00:48:50,329 --> 00:48:46,920
Limits but um the

1100
00:48:54,050 --> 00:48:50,339
uh the

1101
00:48:55,849 --> 00:48:54,060
that was a short period in our life in

1102
00:48:58,690 --> 00:48:55,859
in the in the history of the species

1103
00:49:02,870 --> 00:48:58,700
it's still going on but it's

1104
00:49:05,270 --> 00:49:02,880
vastly less than it used to be and you

1105
00:49:06,950 --> 00:49:05,280
know we we had about 50 years when we

1106
00:49:08,150 --> 00:49:06,960
were generating a lot of Television

1107
00:49:09,530 --> 00:49:08,160
signals

1108
00:49:12,410 --> 00:49:09,540
and

1109
00:49:14,450 --> 00:49:12,420
so we're you know we've gone radio

1110
00:49:16,010 --> 00:49:14,460
silent too but you know the thing that

1111
00:49:19,370 --> 00:49:16,020
worries me about this is the

1112
00:49:22,670 --> 00:49:19,380
extraordinary vulnerability of the

1113
00:49:24,710 --> 00:49:22,680
digital systems and that it rely on

1114
00:49:29,690 --> 00:49:24,720
satellite Communications

1115
00:49:32,990 --> 00:49:29,700
to solar activity I wrote a book years

1116
00:49:34,609 --> 00:49:33,000
ago a short book called solar flares in

1117
00:49:38,210 --> 00:49:34,619
2009

1118
00:49:39,770 --> 00:49:38,220
that sold like 12 copies because it

1119
00:49:43,010 --> 00:49:39,780
turned out nobody cared about silver

1120
00:49:46,309 --> 00:49:43,020
Affairs and uh they probably should

1121
00:49:49,010 --> 00:49:46,319
because there was an incident in 1858

1122
00:49:51,770 --> 00:49:49,020
known as the Carrington incident where

1123
00:49:55,150 --> 00:49:51,780
a very heavy duty solar flare hit the

1124
00:49:57,890 --> 00:49:55,160
planet and you know they all only had uh

1125
00:49:59,510 --> 00:49:57,900
telegraphs at the time and all of a

1126
00:50:02,210 --> 00:49:59,520
sudden all the telegraphs started

1127
00:50:04,849 --> 00:50:02,220
sparking and Telegraph operators were

1128
00:50:07,730 --> 00:50:04,859
thrown across the room Etc and no one of

1129
00:50:08,450 --> 00:50:07,740
course had any idea what was going on

1130
00:50:11,329 --> 00:50:08,460
um

1131
00:50:14,089 --> 00:50:11,339
if that happened today it would wipe out

1132
00:50:15,910 --> 00:50:14,099
a large number of satellites and a large

1133
00:50:18,890 --> 00:50:15,920
number of systems on the ground

1134
00:50:23,510 --> 00:50:18,900
including in parts of the United States

1135
00:50:26,930 --> 00:50:23,520
especially major Transformers upon which

1136
00:50:29,870 --> 00:50:26,940
our whole power grid depends and these

1137
00:50:32,210 --> 00:50:29,880
huge these huge Transformers

1138
00:50:36,290 --> 00:50:32,220
would have to it would take years to

1139
00:50:39,349 --> 00:50:36,300
replace them years without electricity

1140
00:50:41,809 --> 00:50:39,359
and cars your car wouldn't start

1141
00:50:45,890 --> 00:50:41,819
it it yeah if your car had been parked

1142
00:50:49,670 --> 00:50:45,900
Outdoors you'd be fried probably so it

1143
00:50:51,290 --> 00:50:49,680
would be a a major major catastrophe

1144
00:50:53,390 --> 00:50:51,300
uh

1145
00:50:55,010 --> 00:50:53,400
and we don't think about it we don't

1146
00:50:58,609 --> 00:50:55,020
worry about it

1147
00:51:01,069 --> 00:50:58,619
and we should well you rode superstorm

1148
00:51:03,890 --> 00:51:01,079
and so you've you know you've thought

1149
00:51:07,390 --> 00:51:03,900
about this stuff before do you think

1150
00:51:11,390 --> 00:51:07,400
that our government is thinking about

1151
00:51:14,870 --> 00:51:11,400
these things and are are doing you know

1152
00:51:16,430 --> 00:51:14,880
doing something preventive no against

1153
00:51:18,230 --> 00:51:16,440
nothing

1154
00:51:21,650 --> 00:51:18,240
I mean look at the look at the weather

1155
00:51:23,329 --> 00:51:21,660
the weather is I mean in the in the day

1156
00:51:26,510 --> 00:51:23,339
after tomorrow which is the movie based

1157
00:51:29,569 --> 00:51:26,520
on superstorm uh there are tornadoes

1158
00:51:31,970 --> 00:51:29,579
whirling around in Los Angeles

1159
00:51:33,890 --> 00:51:31,980
and their tornado was swirling around in

1160
00:51:36,049 --> 00:51:33,900
Los Angeles now

1161
00:51:38,569 --> 00:51:36,059
yeah uh and people are laughing it's oh

1162
00:51:41,030 --> 00:51:38,579
God a tornado in L.A and I think to

1163
00:51:42,890 --> 00:51:41,040
myself you forget superstorm

1164
00:51:48,049 --> 00:51:42,900
we forget so quickly

1165
00:51:49,849 --> 00:51:48,059
and it and um uh they used to call those

1166
00:51:52,430 --> 00:51:49,859
storms Superstars but now they call them

1167
00:51:54,970 --> 00:51:52,440
bomb Cyclones and

1168
00:52:01,190 --> 00:51:58,069
superstorm the book superstorm which is

1169
00:52:03,250 --> 00:52:01,200
based on ideas that I got from the

1170
00:52:07,010 --> 00:52:03,260
master of the key from the book The key

1171
00:52:11,030 --> 00:52:07,020
that strange individual who accosted me

1172
00:52:12,410 --> 00:52:11,040
in my hotel room in 1998 and said so

1173
00:52:13,910 --> 00:52:12,420
many prophetic things it was just

1174
00:52:16,010 --> 00:52:13,920
unbelievable it was most books of

1175
00:52:18,410 --> 00:52:16,020
Prophecy are full of crap

1176
00:52:21,049 --> 00:52:18,420
that one isn't

1177
00:52:25,010 --> 00:52:21,059
the stuff in it that he the predictions

1178
00:52:26,870 --> 00:52:25,020
he made in almost 99 accurate in fact

1179
00:52:29,930 --> 00:52:26,880
there's only one prediction that hasn't

1180
00:52:32,809 --> 00:52:29,940
come true and that is that there there

1181
00:52:36,109 --> 00:52:32,819
would be a type of computer that would

1182
00:52:39,890 --> 00:52:36,119
be extremely

1183
00:52:42,470 --> 00:52:39,900
a high density uh

1184
00:52:45,470 --> 00:52:42,480
intelligence because it would be based

1185
00:52:47,870 --> 00:52:45,480
on a gas it would there would be a gas

1186
00:52:48,790 --> 00:52:47,880
that could that could uh hold

1187
00:52:51,650 --> 00:52:48,800
information

1188
00:52:54,770 --> 00:52:51,660
that hasn't happened yet

1189
00:52:57,589 --> 00:52:54,780
but the rest of it pretty much all has I

1190
00:53:00,170 --> 00:52:57,599
have I have that gas I had this shrimp

1191
00:53:01,849 --> 00:53:00,180
salad from lunch and

1192
00:53:05,630 --> 00:53:01,859
um but but let me

1193
00:53:08,990 --> 00:53:05,640
um this is uh and we'll pick up when we

1194
00:53:13,430 --> 00:53:09,000
come back after uh the break

1195
00:53:16,609 --> 00:53:13,440
um right now where we have uh

1196
00:53:18,230 --> 00:53:16,619
discussions about UFOs and contact in

1197
00:53:21,349 --> 00:53:18,240
E.T

1198
00:53:23,630 --> 00:53:21,359
um on on both sides of the aisle

1199
00:53:25,370 --> 00:53:23,640
um uh all across the country inside of

1200
00:53:27,530 --> 00:53:25,380
our community outside of our community

1201
00:53:29,569 --> 00:53:27,540
Capitol Hill Washington DC the

1202
00:53:31,609 --> 00:53:29,579
Department of Defense we've got we've

1203
00:53:33,950 --> 00:53:31,619
got hearings that we've got reports

1204
00:53:37,190 --> 00:53:33,960
we've got committees we've got task

1205
00:53:40,609 --> 00:53:37,200
force this it's never been like this

1206
00:53:42,410 --> 00:53:40,619
before and I know there's two things

1207
00:53:44,770 --> 00:53:42,420
that are going on either they're trying

1208
00:53:48,349 --> 00:53:44,780
to get out in front of something

1209
00:53:50,329 --> 00:53:48,359
or they know something you know some

1210
00:53:52,150 --> 00:53:50,339
event that is about to happen they're

1211
00:53:55,569 --> 00:53:52,160
trying to get out in front of it or two

1212
00:53:58,370 --> 00:53:55,579
they know that something's about to leak

1213
00:54:00,349 --> 00:53:58,380
and they need to get out in front of

1214
00:54:02,710 --> 00:54:00,359
that that's that's what what do you

1215
00:54:04,790 --> 00:54:02,720
think the reasons are for all of this

1216
00:54:07,130 --> 00:54:04,800
conversation that's been going on the

1217
00:54:08,329 --> 00:54:07,140
last few years

1218
00:54:10,430 --> 00:54:08,339
um

1219
00:54:12,349 --> 00:54:10,440
uh well I think that there's an awful

1220
00:54:15,349 --> 00:54:12,359
lot hidden behind the scenes

1221
00:54:18,470 --> 00:54:15,359
I I think it's not as much as people

1222
00:54:22,069 --> 00:54:18,480
believe largely because a lot of it has

1223
00:54:23,630 --> 00:54:22,079
been destroyed or lost or offloaded to

1224
00:54:26,750 --> 00:54:23,640
Private Industry and is no longer

1225
00:54:30,069 --> 00:54:26,760
accessible through normal legal channels

1226
00:54:33,349 --> 00:54:30,079
and not not accessible to Congress

1227
00:54:34,970 --> 00:54:33,359
but I think that what's happening is

1228
00:54:37,849 --> 00:54:34,980
that

1229
00:54:40,849 --> 00:54:37,859
there is so much under the surface here

1230
00:54:43,430 --> 00:54:40,859
that it can't be contained well like how

1231
00:54:47,270 --> 00:54:43,440
big is it if you look at the Pentagon

1232
00:54:50,630 --> 00:54:47,280
claims every year that they they cannot

1233
00:54:54,410 --> 00:54:50,640
audit something more than half of their

1234
00:54:56,930 --> 00:54:54,420
assets and uh there's this vast amount

1235
00:54:58,849 --> 00:54:56,940
of money that is quote unquote missing

1236
00:55:02,089 --> 00:54:58,859
it's not missing

1237
00:55:03,950 --> 00:55:02,099
and they can audit their assets that's

1238
00:55:05,210 --> 00:55:03,960
the stuff that we're not supposed to

1239
00:55:11,390 --> 00:55:05,220
know about

1240
00:55:13,309 --> 00:55:11,400
and that is huge it's massive it's it is

1241
00:55:16,609 --> 00:55:13,319
whatever it is

1242
00:55:19,730 --> 00:55:16,619
it it it seems to me that we could be

1243
00:55:22,490 --> 00:55:19,740
supporting Breakaway civilization just

1244
00:55:27,710 --> 00:55:22,500
like Richard Dolan suggests and right

1245
00:55:31,130 --> 00:55:27,720
here right Among Us and uh because it's

1246
00:55:33,829 --> 00:55:31,140
a huge amounts of money and material

1247
00:55:35,870 --> 00:55:33,839
that's just off the books

1248
00:55:39,829 --> 00:55:35,880
off the books

1249
00:55:43,490 --> 00:55:39,839
so they know all of that I remember back

1250
00:55:46,370 --> 00:55:43,500
when uh Congressman Schiff uh

1251
00:55:49,510 --> 00:55:46,380
uh not not the shift that we have today

1252
00:55:52,130 --> 00:55:49,520
but uh uh he was a republican New Mexico

1253
00:55:54,829 --> 00:55:52,140
New Mexico Republican yeah right right

1254
00:55:56,930 --> 00:55:54,839
right and he um

1255
00:55:58,430 --> 00:55:56,940
one of the things he was elected to do

1256
00:56:01,010 --> 00:55:58,440
was to find out the truth about the

1257
00:56:03,650 --> 00:56:01,020
Roswell incident and so he started

1258
00:56:07,150 --> 00:56:03,660
working on it asked the Department of

1259
00:56:09,410 --> 00:56:07,160
Defense and was like asking uh

1260
00:56:10,750 --> 00:56:09,420
King Tut to answer a question or

1261
00:56:13,309 --> 00:56:10,760
something it's just not going to happen

1262
00:56:15,770 --> 00:56:13,319
a mere Congressman a freshman

1263
00:56:18,410 --> 00:56:15,780
congressman is will get nothing out of

1264
00:56:20,569 --> 00:56:18,420
the Department of Defense at all

1265
00:56:22,130 --> 00:56:20,579
I know that because I've known Senate

1266
00:56:25,790 --> 00:56:22,140
very powerful Senators who couldn't get

1267
00:56:27,230 --> 00:56:25,800
anything out of them either so uh he

1268
00:56:29,329 --> 00:56:27,240
didn't get anywhere there

1269
00:56:31,430 --> 00:56:29,339
and he started asking around you know

1270
00:56:34,970 --> 00:56:31,440
what should I do and I came onto his

1271
00:56:36,410 --> 00:56:34,980
radar and I and others said go to the

1272
00:56:38,030 --> 00:56:36,420
focus could then call the General

1273
00:56:41,569 --> 00:56:38,040
Accounting Office

1274
00:56:43,790 --> 00:56:41,579
and because the defense department has

1275
00:56:45,109 --> 00:56:43,800
to answer their questions they have to

1276
00:56:47,390 --> 00:56:45,119
legally

1277
00:56:49,670 --> 00:56:47,400
so he did

1278
00:56:53,569 --> 00:56:49,680
and the result was

1279
00:56:55,309 --> 00:56:53,579
he was told that everything every record

1280
00:57:02,109 --> 00:56:55,319
from Roswell

1281
00:57:06,170 --> 00:57:02,119
from 1947 to 1952 had been destroyed

1282
00:57:08,210 --> 00:57:06,180
zero left and when we try to look back

1283
00:57:10,609 --> 00:57:08,220
into the past

1284
00:57:12,710 --> 00:57:10,619
to find out what they knew and what

1285
00:57:14,870 --> 00:57:12,720
happened we're going to find more and

1286
00:57:16,790 --> 00:57:14,880
more of that has happened

1287
00:57:19,089 --> 00:57:16,800
and we're also going to find what

1288
00:57:22,010 --> 00:57:19,099
general Exon Arthur Exon told me about

1289
00:57:24,230 --> 00:57:22,020
and he's the man was a he was commanding

1290
00:57:26,450 --> 00:57:24,240
officer at Wright-Patt at one point and

1291
00:57:28,790 --> 00:57:26,460
he was at the error material command

1292
00:57:30,650 --> 00:57:28,800
when the Roswell materials were brought

1293
00:57:36,290 --> 00:57:30,660
in when it was when it was so right

1294
00:57:38,750 --> 00:57:36,300
field in 1947 and in 1988 he told me

1295
00:57:42,770 --> 00:57:38,760
he's a family friend which is why he

1296
00:57:46,010 --> 00:57:42,780
talked to me uh he told me that

1297
00:57:48,170 --> 00:57:46,020
he was still going to write to confer

1298
00:57:51,530 --> 00:57:48,180
with the scientific team that was

1299
00:57:54,230 --> 00:57:51,540
working on this to to so that because he

1300
00:57:56,990 --> 00:57:54,240
had personal notes and

1301
00:57:58,549 --> 00:57:57,000
memories of

1302
00:58:00,950 --> 00:57:58,559
meetings that have been held years

1303
00:58:04,609 --> 00:58:00,960
before where there had been no records

1304
00:58:06,829 --> 00:58:04,619
kept and these guys to this day pencils

1305
00:58:08,569 --> 00:58:06,839
up as the rule of the day

1306
00:58:12,109 --> 00:58:08,579
in other words they've kept too many

1307
00:58:15,290 --> 00:58:12,119
secrets too well and the result is a lot

1308
00:58:18,430 --> 00:58:15,300
has been lost to history and it also

1309
00:58:21,530 --> 00:58:18,440
means that each generation

1310
00:58:23,210 --> 00:58:21,540
redoes what the last generation did

1311
00:58:26,510 --> 00:58:23,220
without knowing it's already been done

1312
00:58:27,849 --> 00:58:26,520
it's that's bound to be the case

1313
00:58:32,630 --> 00:58:27,859
um

1314
00:58:36,170 --> 00:58:32,640
yeah but but ultimately though

1315
00:58:38,630 --> 00:58:36,180
um it would also seem that uh you know

1316
00:58:40,730 --> 00:58:38,640
with with the web uh James Webb the

1317
00:58:42,890 --> 00:58:40,740
Space Telescope there's other telescopes

1318
00:58:45,470 --> 00:58:42,900
uh as well it's not just the James Webb

1319
00:58:48,770 --> 00:58:45,480
and we have the test system and stuff

1320
00:58:52,430 --> 00:58:48,780
um that something is going to get

1321
00:58:54,890 --> 00:58:52,440
discovered and there is uh a large

1322
00:58:59,109 --> 00:58:54,900
International Community uh Whitley that

1323
00:59:03,289 --> 00:58:59,119
is uh uh running stuff uh up in space

1324
00:59:05,390 --> 00:59:03,299
and and looking and if if the government

1325
00:59:08,329 --> 00:59:05,400
doesn't come clean now and something

1326
00:59:10,730 --> 00:59:08,339
else is discovered uh scientifically

1327
00:59:14,089 --> 00:59:10,740
kind of like the movie contact then

1328
00:59:15,950 --> 00:59:14,099
you've got a real problem on your hands

1329
00:59:18,770 --> 00:59:15,960
well they do have a problem in their

1330
00:59:22,130 --> 00:59:18,780
hands and I have a feeling that that

1331
00:59:25,010 --> 00:59:22,140
there's an probably a lot of

1332
00:59:26,329 --> 00:59:25,020
relationship and correspondence behind

1333
00:59:29,930 --> 00:59:26,339
the scenes

1334
00:59:31,190 --> 00:59:29,940
to perhaps even policies in place to

1335
00:59:34,789 --> 00:59:31,200
control

1336
00:59:37,430 --> 00:59:34,799
uh the dissemination of the discovery of

1337
00:59:40,010 --> 00:59:37,440
an alien presence in the world in the

1338
00:59:43,730 --> 00:59:40,020
universe somewhere in other words if we

1339
00:59:45,890 --> 00:59:43,740
discover uh signs of signs of not only

1340
00:59:47,470 --> 00:59:45,900
life but intelligent life

1341
00:59:50,870 --> 00:59:47,480
uh

1342
00:59:55,150 --> 00:59:50,880
and so I think that's a that's that's

1343
00:59:59,270 --> 00:59:55,160
also a real possibility that we could uh

1344
01:00:01,670 --> 00:59:59,280
that could be suppressed because of the

1345
01:00:03,230 --> 01:00:01,680
fear that if it's not suppressed the

1346
01:00:04,549 --> 01:00:03,240
whole can of worms is going to end up

1347
01:00:08,089 --> 01:00:04,559
getting opened

1348
01:00:11,450 --> 01:00:08,099
the International Community I mean I I

1349
01:00:13,370 --> 01:00:11,460
I don't know I I just want your opinion

1350
01:00:14,990 --> 01:00:13,380
on this before we go to the break I

1351
01:00:17,390 --> 01:00:15,000
don't know if the United States has that

1352
01:00:20,270 --> 01:00:17,400
kind of influence on other state actors

1353
01:00:23,089 --> 01:00:20,280
around the world of somebody else wants

1354
01:00:25,130 --> 01:00:23,099
this information to come out uh I think

1355
01:00:28,490 --> 01:00:25,140
it's going to happen and the United

1356
01:00:30,170 --> 01:00:28,500
States won't have a say in like a

1357
01:00:32,150 --> 01:00:30,180
discovery with the James Webb Space

1358
01:00:34,730 --> 01:00:32,160
teller that's an International Coalition

1359
01:00:38,150 --> 01:00:34,740
right yeah

1360
01:00:40,910 --> 01:00:38,160
that that's got to be a concern or maybe

1361
01:00:45,890 --> 01:00:40,920
they're hoping the James Webb will find

1362
01:00:48,109 --> 01:00:45,900
it so then they can uh talk about E.T in

1363
01:00:50,510 --> 01:00:48,119
a different way and they know I think

1364
01:00:52,010 --> 01:00:50,520
that bill the beans I've always thought

1365
01:00:56,089 --> 01:00:52,020
that one of the things that would be

1366
01:00:59,569 --> 01:00:56,099
helpful is if we found E.T

1367
01:01:02,930 --> 01:00:59,579
then we could begin a dialogue about E.T

1368
01:01:05,930 --> 01:01:02,940
and ease into the idea that ET has

1369
01:01:09,170 --> 01:01:05,940
already found us that that could be

1370
01:01:11,210 --> 01:01:09,180
that could be very helpful

1371
01:01:13,430 --> 01:01:11,220
culturally and socially it could make it

1372
01:01:15,589 --> 01:01:13,440
easier for us to handle this

1373
01:01:17,569 --> 01:01:15,599
Let's uh let's continue all of this

1374
01:01:20,990 --> 01:01:17,579
after the break Whitley stay right there

1375
01:01:23,349 --> 01:01:21,000
our guest tonight is Whitley streber and

1376
01:01:26,150 --> 01:01:23,359
tonight's broadcast is brought to you by

1377
01:01:28,910 --> 01:01:26,160
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1378
01:01:31,190 --> 01:01:28,920
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1379
01:01:34,370 --> 01:01:31,200
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1380
01:01:37,670 --> 01:01:34,380
and check it out accidental truth this

1381
01:01:40,970 --> 01:01:37,680
is required viewing by everybody in our

1382
01:01:42,890 --> 01:01:40,980
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1383
01:01:45,289 --> 01:01:42,900
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1384
01:01:47,510 --> 01:01:45,299
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1385
01:01:49,250 --> 01:01:47,520
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1386
01:01:51,490 --> 01:01:49,260
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your host Jimmy church tonight A Whitley

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one and uh so let's get straight back to

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it Whitley and one of

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um you know

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Okay so we've had two hearings

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one was UFO focused uh the the the

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Congressional the representative version

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of it we had the Gila brand hearing and

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that was Aero budget focused uh and with

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zero mention of of E.T or or anything

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like that but uh the the one thing that

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01:06:47,089 --> 01:06:44,119
I haven't heard uh much about are

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01:06:51,109 --> 01:06:47,099
experiencers and and those out there

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01:06:53,510 --> 01:06:51,119
that have have made direct contact they

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01:06:56,150 --> 01:06:53,520
just want to keep this military-centric

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01:07:00,049 --> 01:06:56,160
why do you think it is

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because we're out of control of the

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01:07:05,809 --> 01:07:02,039
whole experience or phenomenon

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01:07:08,990 --> 01:07:05,819
and the military side of it suggests

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that that we the government may be able

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to do its job in in and protect the

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population

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but you know I it's

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that is a

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uh area well Louisville for example will

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01:07:29,870 --> 01:07:25,500
not communicate with me at all

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01:07:32,750 --> 01:07:29,880
not at all he won't talk to me he won't

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01:07:33,770 --> 01:07:32,760
email back anything

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01:07:36,049 --> 01:07:33,780
um

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01:07:38,029 --> 01:07:36,059
Chris Mellon whom I know of well and not

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01:07:39,470 --> 01:07:38,039
not well I mean I I know him he's a

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01:07:41,109 --> 01:07:39,480
great guy by the way

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uh

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01:07:46,010 --> 01:07:43,440
feels that he does not want to be on

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01:07:49,190 --> 01:07:46,020
Dreamland because he does not want to

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01:07:53,230 --> 01:07:49,200
make the link between the experiencer

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01:07:55,789 --> 01:07:53,240
side of it and the more Hardware

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01:07:57,049 --> 01:07:55,799
oriented side of it

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01:08:05,809 --> 01:07:57,059
and

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01:08:07,910 --> 01:08:05,819
point out in the book is

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that uh

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excuse me

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01:08:20,209 --> 01:08:17,809
the whatever's here has gone into the

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lives of people

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01:08:24,709 --> 01:08:22,620
and what have they done they've taken

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sexual material

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eggs and sperm it took sperm for me

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right out of my body

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and did it

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brutally I mean I was raped I was

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torn up inside my body uh

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and

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fetuses taken out of them

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and you can't say

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with a straight face that yes we're your

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01:08:56,090 --> 01:08:53,580
government we are protecting you we're

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01:08:58,970 --> 01:08:56,100
doing our job when this can happen in

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01:09:00,890 --> 01:08:58,980
the middle of the night and that they

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has let it happen for

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years and years and didn't did nothing

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about it because they couldn't do

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01:09:10,430 --> 01:09:07,739
anything about it

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01:09:12,709 --> 01:09:10,440
um oh there's Whispers always that there

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01:09:15,229 --> 01:09:12,719
was some kind of agreement that the

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government would let it happen and if

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01:09:20,570 --> 01:09:17,219
that's true and there's paperwork about

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01:09:23,890 --> 01:09:20,580
that my God yeah that's a problem that's

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01:09:26,930 --> 01:09:23,900
a huge major well it's all a problem

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01:09:30,470 --> 01:09:26,940
but here's another point though

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01:09:33,590 --> 01:09:30,480
um if they want to make it military

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01:09:36,890 --> 01:09:33,600
fine they've got rental shim where

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01:09:41,150 --> 01:09:36,900
you've got Burrows and peniston uh that

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01:09:43,970 --> 01:09:41,160
had Direct contact and and there's a

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01:09:47,630 --> 01:09:43,980
witness situation and uh a physical

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01:09:50,090 --> 01:09:47,640
situation we know what uh uh boroughs

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01:09:53,990 --> 01:09:50,100
went through uh John Burroughs yeah sure

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01:09:57,350 --> 01:09:54,000
and uh and pennison uh as well and

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01:10:00,410 --> 01:09:57,360
shouldn't they be called as a contactee

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01:10:03,650 --> 01:10:00,420
Witnesses it's military there's plenty

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01:10:05,709 --> 01:10:03,660
of paperwork here's the problem

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01:10:07,790 --> 01:10:05,719
you open

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01:10:10,669 --> 01:10:07,800
that any

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01:10:12,470 --> 01:10:10,679
any of that that door even a crack in

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01:10:15,530 --> 01:10:12,480
the whole door comes flying off in your

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01:10:17,090 --> 01:10:15,540
face that's what Their Fear is

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so

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I I'm hoping that Jacque Valley is right

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and that policy makers will read the

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book I'm going to try to get it into the

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01:10:31,729 --> 01:10:28,560
hands of some of them uh

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and you know it's hard to get past

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pass their their staffs and you know the

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01:10:39,590 --> 01:10:37,260
staffs people are going to take a look

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01:10:41,149 --> 01:10:39,600
and look at that and just toss it over

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01:10:42,169 --> 01:10:41,159
their shoulder

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um

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01:10:49,010 --> 01:10:45,600
but if some people like Christian

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01:10:52,550 --> 01:10:49,020
gillibrand did breed them they would get

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01:10:54,709 --> 01:10:52,560
an idea of how to do this correctly and

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01:10:57,590 --> 01:10:54,719
usefully because the book lays it right

1590
01:10:59,149 --> 01:10:57,600
out it's very clear the first half of

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01:11:02,090 --> 01:10:59,159
the book shows

1592
01:11:05,990 --> 01:11:02,100
how communication and interactions

1593
01:11:08,390 --> 01:11:06,000
actually work that it's not the simple

1594
01:11:10,189 --> 01:11:08,400
abduction scenario that's popularized in

1595
01:11:12,890 --> 01:11:10,199
the media that is a much more complex

1596
01:11:14,330 --> 01:11:12,900
experience and the second half of it

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01:11:15,649 --> 01:11:14,340
shows

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01:11:17,990 --> 01:11:15,659
both

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01:11:21,229 --> 01:11:18,000
what has happened and what happened in

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01:11:23,770 --> 01:11:21,239
the early days and why it was that the

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01:11:26,990 --> 01:11:23,780
visitors themselves by what they did

1602
01:11:29,090 --> 01:11:27,000
placed the military in a position where

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01:11:30,950 --> 01:11:29,100
they had to keep it secret

1604
01:11:33,590 --> 01:11:30,960
they had no choice

1605
01:11:34,790 --> 01:11:33,600
and I think that was done on purpose it

1606
01:11:38,390 --> 01:11:34,800
was deliberate

1607
01:11:41,090 --> 01:11:38,400
and it was to give the presence

1608
01:11:42,770 --> 01:11:41,100
which I sort of interchangeably uses the

1609
01:11:45,169 --> 01:11:42,780
visitors because I'm not sure it's just

1610
01:11:47,649 --> 01:11:45,179
one species or what exactly it is even

1611
01:11:50,390 --> 01:11:47,659
if it's any species

1612
01:11:52,130 --> 01:11:50,400
to give them and make sure they always

1613
01:11:54,590 --> 01:11:52,140
had the upper hand

1614
01:11:56,750 --> 01:11:54,600
and that they could carry out their

1615
01:11:59,510 --> 01:11:56,760
activities in secret with without the

1616
01:12:01,010 --> 01:11:59,520
public resisting them because you know

1617
01:12:02,330 --> 01:12:01,020
if I had known

1618
01:12:06,709 --> 01:12:02,340
uh

1619
01:12:08,390 --> 01:12:06,719
never have bought a Country House in

1620
01:12:11,330 --> 01:12:08,400
fact I would guess that second homes

1621
01:12:13,850 --> 01:12:11,340
would be completely that that market

1622
01:12:15,350 --> 01:12:13,860
would be totaled because who would want

1623
01:12:19,850 --> 01:12:15,360
to be out in the country in the under

1624
01:12:22,010 --> 01:12:19,860
their circumstances the the uh national

1625
01:12:24,050 --> 01:12:22,020
parks would be emptied

1626
01:12:26,209 --> 01:12:24,060
you know David politis would be a big

1627
01:12:28,630 --> 01:12:26,219
hero instead of sort of considered a

1628
01:12:31,430 --> 01:12:28,640
kook by most of the media

1629
01:12:33,410 --> 01:12:31,440
but gillibran

1630
01:12:38,330 --> 01:12:33,420
um is that you bring up such an

1631
01:12:41,689 --> 01:12:38,340
interesting point because it seems that

1632
01:12:42,290 --> 01:12:41,699
um she slid in and her staff

1633
01:12:46,310 --> 01:12:42,300
um

1634
01:12:50,209 --> 01:12:46,320
uh a direct reference to

1635
01:12:54,830 --> 01:12:50,219
Witnesses in contact with uaps and and

1636
01:12:56,810 --> 01:12:54,840
health considerations now she did yeah

1637
01:13:00,110 --> 01:12:56,820
yeah and you're only going to write that

1638
01:13:01,790 --> 01:13:00,120
if if you know something or somebody has

1639
01:13:04,910 --> 01:13:01,800
given you the information to put in

1640
01:13:07,790 --> 01:13:04,920
there that that there is contact that is

1641
01:13:10,790 --> 01:13:07,800
going on and we need to take care of

1642
01:13:13,729 --> 01:13:10,800
anybody that may have some issues and

1643
01:13:17,030 --> 01:13:13,739
and that was in there and you know what

1644
01:13:19,030 --> 01:13:17,040
they also ought to do is compensate the

1645
01:13:22,090 --> 01:13:19,040
people who have been beat up by the

1646
01:13:25,729 --> 01:13:22,100
intelligence community

1647
01:13:27,950 --> 01:13:25,739
uh like a lot of people like me and some

1648
01:13:30,229 --> 01:13:27,960
other people who have been public out

1649
01:13:34,250 --> 01:13:30,239
there in the public have been lied about

1650
01:13:36,709 --> 01:13:34,260
and marginalized ruthlessly and it's an

1651
01:13:39,350 --> 01:13:36,719
intentional thing it's not an accident

1652
01:13:41,390 --> 01:13:39,360
and uh

1653
01:13:42,530 --> 01:13:41,400
it needs to be admitted that these

1654
01:13:44,630 --> 01:13:42,540
people had

1655
01:13:49,250 --> 01:13:44,640
were telling the truth

1656
01:13:52,450 --> 01:13:49,260
and that there were buried in lies and

1657
01:14:00,050 --> 01:13:53,990
the

1658
01:14:02,870 --> 01:14:00,060
language uh that Jilla brand

1659
01:14:07,790 --> 01:14:02,880
um had had put into the budget

1660
01:14:12,950 --> 01:14:07,800
um which is effectively law right that

1661
01:14:17,090 --> 01:14:12,960
um not only is this a a concern but this

1662
01:14:20,149 --> 01:14:17,100
is a reality right this isn't this isn't

1663
01:14:22,490 --> 01:14:20,159
Gene Roddenberry anymore that's right no

1664
01:14:25,850 --> 01:14:22,500
no not by a long shot yeah not by a long

1665
01:14:29,630 --> 01:14:25,860
shot and and I think that's where we are

1666
01:14:32,090 --> 01:14:29,640
today and it's not because of hearsay or

1667
01:14:34,010 --> 01:14:32,100
circumstantial evidence there is

1668
01:14:35,990 --> 01:14:34,020
something much more real to the

1669
01:14:38,030 --> 01:14:36,000
phenomenon going on that they are aware

1670
01:14:39,050 --> 01:14:38,040
of that's the correct way to look at it

1671
01:14:42,410 --> 01:14:39,060
right

1672
01:14:44,510 --> 01:14:42,420
I would think so well also you know it's

1673
01:14:46,610 --> 01:14:44,520
a it's a good time because now we're

1674
01:14:48,950 --> 01:14:46,620
looking back on the abduction phenomenon

1675
01:14:51,290 --> 01:14:48,960
it's not common now I haven't I don't

1676
01:14:54,950 --> 01:14:51,300
think it happens at all anymore frankly

1677
01:14:56,689 --> 01:14:54,960
I think back in 1975 if you had come out

1678
01:14:59,810 --> 01:14:56,699
with this it would have been an

1679
01:15:01,149 --> 01:14:59,820
immediate threat but now it's more

1680
01:15:03,110 --> 01:15:01,159
historical

1681
01:15:05,810 --> 01:15:03,120
and uh

1682
01:15:08,390 --> 01:15:05,820
uh I think they can safely say that this

1683
01:15:10,490 --> 01:15:08,400
was an episode in its past

1684
01:15:12,830 --> 01:15:10,500
and what they want to say about it I

1685
01:15:14,149 --> 01:15:12,840
don't know why it happened I think I

1686
01:15:16,490 --> 01:15:14,159
know why it happened

1687
01:15:20,330 --> 01:15:16,500
I think that someone was

1688
01:15:21,709 --> 01:15:20,340
was doing two things uh I think they

1689
01:15:25,070 --> 01:15:21,719
were

1690
01:15:27,590 --> 01:15:25,080
making some kind of a record of us and

1691
01:15:28,790 --> 01:15:27,600
probably of all the hope everything on

1692
01:15:32,570 --> 01:15:28,800
the planet

1693
01:15:35,270 --> 01:15:32,580
and a genetic record and I think they

1694
01:15:37,070 --> 01:15:35,280
were they were creating

1695
01:15:39,470 --> 01:15:37,080
people

1696
01:15:41,810 --> 01:15:39,480
that perhaps they were trying to create

1697
01:15:43,610 --> 01:15:41,820
people who could interface with them

1698
01:15:46,610 --> 01:15:43,620
you know in other words people who are a

1699
01:15:51,110 --> 01:15:46,620
bridge between the two species

1700
01:15:54,290 --> 01:15:51,120
uh I I think those things were were done

1701
01:15:58,250 --> 01:15:54,300
and were they successful

1702
01:16:00,830 --> 01:15:58,260
they may have been I I have no idea the

1703
01:16:03,530 --> 01:16:00,840
one incident which I've mentioned on the

1704
01:16:06,590 --> 01:16:03,540
show before the so-called cigarette

1705
01:16:08,990 --> 01:16:06,600
smoking boy uh

1706
01:16:11,750 --> 01:16:09,000
uh is an example of someone who

1707
01:16:14,510 --> 01:16:11,760
obviously did not work out he was not

1708
01:16:16,510 --> 01:16:14,520
successful now he was a terribly

1709
01:16:19,790 --> 01:16:16,520
troubled and

1710
01:16:22,850 --> 01:16:19,800
individual suffering greatly and

1711
01:16:25,729 --> 01:16:22,860
I I and not a day goes by that I don't

1712
01:16:29,930 --> 01:16:25,739
think of him and the others like him who

1713
01:16:32,990 --> 01:16:29,940
were perhaps made by people who were not

1714
01:16:34,669 --> 01:16:33,000
humans but beings who were willing to

1715
01:16:36,950 --> 01:16:34,679
experiment with us

1716
01:16:39,590 --> 01:16:36,960
in in even more radical ways than we

1717
01:16:41,090 --> 01:16:39,600
would experiment with animals but I

1718
01:16:43,250 --> 01:16:41,100
think that happened

1719
01:16:47,209 --> 01:16:43,260
and uh

1720
01:16:50,810 --> 01:16:47,219
uh but it's all as I say now it's all in

1721
01:16:53,209 --> 01:16:50,820
the past we can look back on it and

1722
01:16:54,110 --> 01:16:53,219
maybe it's time to start to say to the

1723
01:16:56,270 --> 01:16:54,120
public

1724
01:17:00,229 --> 01:16:56,280
yeah we couldn't do anything about it

1725
01:17:03,130 --> 01:17:00,239
and we got we we gotta we took some some

1726
01:17:05,750 --> 01:17:03,140
body blows here but we survived

1727
01:17:10,149 --> 01:17:05,760
uh I think it's probably time to start

1728
01:17:15,830 --> 01:17:14,630
yeah I'm sure sure if we go I I think

1729
01:17:17,570 --> 01:17:15,840
that

1730
01:17:18,790 --> 01:17:17,580
um we we've been going through some

1731
01:17:21,669 --> 01:17:18,800
phases

1732
01:17:24,050 --> 01:17:21,679
and E.T

1733
01:17:27,590 --> 01:17:24,060
it doesn't matter there's there's

1734
01:17:29,270 --> 01:17:27,600
probably millions of uh Advanced

1735
01:17:31,130 --> 01:17:29,280
civilizations out there that are aware

1736
01:17:33,950 --> 01:17:31,140
of planet Earth uh they're they're

1737
01:17:35,750 --> 01:17:33,960
checking out the entire Milky Way in the

1738
01:17:37,669 --> 01:17:35,760
universe for for life out there just

1739
01:17:41,390 --> 01:17:37,679
like we're doing the same thing here but

1740
01:17:43,010 --> 01:17:41,400
that being said they are aware of where

1741
01:17:46,669 --> 01:17:43,020
we are technically

1742
01:17:49,310 --> 01:17:46,679
so you didn't have to hide from

1743
01:17:51,950 --> 01:17:49,320
electricity and radar and missiles and

1744
01:17:54,590 --> 01:17:51,960
defense systems a thousand years ago you

1745
01:17:56,930 --> 01:17:54,600
didn't even have to do that 150 years

1746
01:18:00,890 --> 01:17:56,940
ago the Wright brothers didn't show up

1747
01:18:02,750 --> 01:18:00,900
on the scene until 1903 right right okay

1748
01:18:05,689 --> 01:18:02,760
so but

1749
01:18:07,669 --> 01:18:05,699
um and as radar and other things

1750
01:18:10,490 --> 01:18:07,679
sophistication started to come into play

1751
01:18:13,310 --> 01:18:10,500
in the mid-1940s

1752
01:18:15,669 --> 01:18:13,320
um they had tactics had to change

1753
01:18:17,530 --> 01:18:15,679
today I think it's more of an

1754
01:18:20,390 --> 01:18:17,540
interdimensional

1755
01:18:22,790 --> 01:18:20,400
you know there's there's something else

1756
01:18:25,610 --> 01:18:22,800
uh happening in the way that they

1757
01:18:27,590 --> 01:18:25,620
approach this planet and people

1758
01:18:29,090 --> 01:18:27,600
um that is different from the past like

1759
01:18:31,790 --> 01:18:29,100
you're saying we can look back and look

1760
01:18:34,370 --> 01:18:31,800
at the the historical differences right

1761
01:18:37,189 --> 01:18:34,380
and and maybe that's why abductions

1762
01:18:40,550 --> 01:18:37,199
aren't quite as frequent or or sightings

1763
01:18:42,830 --> 01:18:40,560
or Landings uh because the processes are

1764
01:18:44,870 --> 01:18:42,840
different today it's would that be a

1765
01:18:48,229 --> 01:18:44,880
good assessment right it's also possible

1766
01:18:49,250 --> 01:18:48,239
that the the the entities are different

1767
01:18:52,550 --> 01:18:49,260
like

1768
01:18:56,750 --> 01:18:52,560
we used to have the nordics

1769
01:18:57,770 --> 01:18:56,760
here I met some of them I encountered

1770
01:19:01,370 --> 01:18:57,780
some of them

1771
01:19:03,890 --> 01:19:01,380
uh I know other people in our area

1772
01:19:07,010 --> 01:19:03,900
who don't want known that they did but

1773
01:19:09,169 --> 01:19:07,020
the other people who did as well

1774
01:19:12,470 --> 01:19:09,179
uh and

1775
01:19:16,430 --> 01:19:12,480
they were real they were entirely real

1776
01:19:19,550 --> 01:19:16,440
physically real now they're gone

1777
01:19:21,890 --> 01:19:19,560
and what happened to them why did they

1778
01:19:23,390 --> 01:19:21,900
leave did they get think to themselves

1779
01:19:26,510 --> 01:19:23,400
ah this is just

1780
01:19:29,870 --> 01:19:26,520
too boring we don't want to fool with

1781
01:19:32,330 --> 01:19:29,880
these cats or two the two they're too

1782
01:19:34,550 --> 01:19:32,340
dull or they're too violent or they're

1783
01:19:36,169 --> 01:19:34,560
too scary or whatever it was but then

1784
01:19:38,030 --> 01:19:36,179
they're not here anymore

1785
01:19:41,209 --> 01:19:38,040
or were they driven off by another

1786
01:19:43,970 --> 01:19:41,219
species with a graze say to them

1787
01:19:45,590 --> 01:19:43,980
these people are they're our problem not

1788
01:19:48,590 --> 01:19:45,600
yours get out

1789
01:19:50,510 --> 01:19:48,600
and they left I don't know but something

1790
01:19:53,330 --> 01:19:50,520
caused that to happen

1791
01:19:56,330 --> 01:19:53,340
there's a whole level of this that we

1792
01:19:59,570 --> 01:19:56,340
can't quite see but we know is there

1793
01:20:01,430 --> 01:19:59,580
like the time I encountered the

1794
01:20:04,250 --> 01:20:01,440
I don't I haven't talked to mentioned

1795
01:20:05,209 --> 01:20:04,260
this in a long time I'll tell this story

1796
01:20:07,850 --> 01:20:05,219
um

1797
01:20:08,930 --> 01:20:07,860
I woke up one night in my apartment in

1798
01:20:14,330 --> 01:20:08,940
New York

1799
01:20:17,390 --> 01:20:14,340
with my head in the lap of a huge woman

1800
01:20:20,689 --> 01:20:17,400
whose body towered up I was on the couch

1801
01:20:23,510 --> 01:20:20,699
in the living room I I wasn't uh in the

1802
01:20:25,610 --> 01:20:23,520
bed or anything and I I was stunned I

1803
01:20:27,110 --> 01:20:25,620
mean I I started to jump up and I found

1804
01:20:29,510 --> 01:20:27,120
I couldn't move

1805
01:20:31,790 --> 01:20:29,520
and then I found them asking me inside

1806
01:20:33,890 --> 01:20:31,800
my head what they could they do to help

1807
01:20:35,270 --> 01:20:33,900
me this is right when the communion tour

1808
01:20:37,970 --> 01:20:35,280
was starting

1809
01:20:40,070 --> 01:20:37,980
and so I blurted out

1810
01:20:42,770 --> 01:20:40,080
perhaps the stupidest thing that's ever

1811
01:20:46,430 --> 01:20:42,780
been said to an alien

1812
01:20:48,649 --> 01:20:46,440
you could show me one of your children

1813
01:20:50,870 --> 01:20:48,659
and it was

1814
01:20:54,350 --> 01:20:50,880
what made it stupid was

1815
01:20:57,290 --> 01:20:54,360
here's this these extraordinary beings

1816
01:21:01,250 --> 01:20:57,300
are there and they asked me what I they

1817
01:21:02,450 --> 01:21:01,260
can do to help me not to inform me but

1818
01:21:04,250 --> 01:21:02,460
to help

1819
01:21:07,310 --> 01:21:04,260
I could have said you could give me a

1820
01:21:09,169 --> 01:21:07,320
UFO you could let me take pictures of

1821
01:21:11,689 --> 01:21:09,179
you I could have said all kinds of

1822
01:21:13,070 --> 01:21:11,699
things like that but instead I blurted

1823
01:21:15,770 --> 01:21:13,080
this out

1824
01:21:17,870 --> 01:21:15,780
uh I and I said to Anne afterwards I'm

1825
01:21:20,390 --> 01:21:17,880
so I've never felt so stupid in my life

1826
01:21:22,430 --> 01:21:20,400
she said no quickly you're not stupid

1827
01:21:25,130 --> 01:21:22,440
you're the only person that's ever this

1828
01:21:27,290 --> 01:21:25,140
has ever happened to and this is the

1829
01:21:29,330 --> 01:21:27,300
first thing and at least you were able

1830
01:21:33,470 --> 01:21:29,340
to say something

1831
01:21:35,689 --> 01:21:33,480
so time passes a month or two

1832
01:21:37,550 --> 01:21:35,699
I'm in the old airport in Denver

1833
01:21:40,430 --> 01:21:37,560
Stapleton Airport

1834
01:21:42,890 --> 01:21:40,440
and I'm waiting for my ride I'm doing my

1835
01:21:43,729 --> 01:21:42,900
author tour I'm like touring around in

1836
01:21:47,270 --> 01:21:43,739
uh

1837
01:21:49,669 --> 01:21:47,280
and um

1838
01:21:53,330 --> 01:21:49,679
waiting for my ride

1839
01:21:55,189 --> 01:21:53,340
and all of a sudden

1840
01:21:57,950 --> 01:21:55,199
the following

1841
01:22:00,290 --> 01:21:57,960
completely incredible and funny

1842
01:22:02,630 --> 01:22:00,300
wonderful thing happens

1843
01:22:07,610 --> 01:22:02,640
three people show up

1844
01:22:11,570 --> 01:22:07,620
a man a human male a normal looking man

1845
01:22:12,890 --> 01:22:11,580
a gigantic child who's like a giant

1846
01:22:15,350 --> 01:22:12,900
six-year-old

1847
01:22:17,270 --> 01:22:15,360
is a has the features of you know

1848
01:22:19,910 --> 01:22:17,280
unformed features of a child but he's

1849
01:22:21,590 --> 01:22:19,920
nearly as tall as the guy

1850
01:22:25,910 --> 01:22:21,600
and

1851
01:22:29,510 --> 01:22:25,920
what struck me as an obvious Gray

1852
01:22:31,729 --> 01:22:29,520
wearing a cheap dress like from dollar

1853
01:22:35,149 --> 01:22:31,739
store or somewhere

1854
01:22:39,490 --> 01:22:35,159
and covered with what I I could only

1855
01:22:43,189 --> 01:22:39,500
think was mortician's wax this face just

1856
01:22:46,430 --> 01:22:43,199
so poorly disguised the whole thing was

1857
01:22:47,870 --> 01:22:46,440
just absurd and and amazing

1858
01:22:50,570 --> 01:22:47,880
and

1859
01:22:53,750 --> 01:22:50,580
they're they've disguised themselves as

1860
01:22:56,330 --> 01:22:53,760
golfers they're carrying the cheapest

1861
01:22:58,490 --> 01:22:56,340
most anemic golf bags and golf clubs

1862
01:22:59,810 --> 01:22:58,500
like you've ever seen in your life

1863
01:23:02,390 --> 01:22:59,820
and

1864
01:23:05,570 --> 01:23:02,400
they stop in front of me

1865
01:23:07,669 --> 01:23:05,580
and the woman and the boy start to play

1866
01:23:12,050 --> 01:23:07,679
patty cake

1867
01:23:14,110 --> 01:23:12,060
faster and faster and faster until you

1868
01:23:17,630 --> 01:23:14,120
can't even see their hands you hear this

1869
01:23:19,990 --> 01:23:17,640
going on and a crowd gathers people are

1870
01:23:22,850 --> 01:23:20,000
watching this if we're stunned by this

1871
01:23:25,610 --> 01:23:22,860
thing going on with the hands and then

1872
01:23:27,290 --> 01:23:25,620
they stop and the boy sort of Bops a

1873
01:23:29,630 --> 01:23:27,300
couple times like he's you know sort of

1874
01:23:32,390 --> 01:23:29,640
still in the rhythm of it and he turns

1875
01:23:34,910 --> 01:23:32,400
around and walks toward the wall

1876
01:23:38,149 --> 01:23:34,920
and then you don't see him anymore

1877
01:23:40,669 --> 01:23:38,159
then I turn around back and the guy and

1878
01:23:42,770 --> 01:23:40,679
the woman are also gone

1879
01:23:46,010 --> 01:23:42,780
and someone said to me

1880
01:23:48,410 --> 01:23:46,020
standing beside me did you see that and

1881
01:23:50,990 --> 01:23:48,420
I said I think I did he said let's go

1882
01:23:54,709 --> 01:23:51,000
have a drink and at that moment my ride

1883
01:23:56,390 --> 01:23:54,719
shows up and I go out to the car and

1884
01:23:58,310 --> 01:23:56,400
we're driving out of the

1885
01:24:00,590 --> 01:23:58,320
to drive the

1886
01:24:02,209 --> 01:24:00,600
drive it's stapled an airport and I

1887
01:24:06,590 --> 01:24:02,219
think my God

1888
01:24:11,149 --> 01:24:08,709
my God

1889
01:24:13,189 --> 01:24:11,159
and I've often wondered who the guy was

1890
01:24:14,330 --> 01:24:13,199
who said let's have a drink and what

1891
01:24:15,950 --> 01:24:14,340
would have happened if I had a drink

1892
01:24:18,890 --> 01:24:15,960
with me right right right right right

1893
01:24:21,649 --> 01:24:18,900
right because he was he was not a

1894
01:24:23,149 --> 01:24:21,659
tourist he was something it was he was

1895
01:24:25,550 --> 01:24:23,159
something else

1896
01:24:27,709 --> 01:24:25,560
but what I've experienced

1897
01:24:30,890 --> 01:24:27,719
and what a story to tell

1898
01:24:32,750 --> 01:24:30,900
but it's not a story of and yes they

1899
01:24:34,910 --> 01:24:32,760
gave me the flying saucer I asked for

1900
01:24:38,630 --> 01:24:34,920
yes they took me

1901
01:24:41,830 --> 01:24:38,640
yeah but they did okay so

1902
01:24:44,950 --> 01:24:41,840
um uh here's what I'm saying

1903
01:24:49,250 --> 01:24:44,960
go ahead no go ahead go ahead

1904
01:24:52,790 --> 01:24:49,260
but it it this this story had an ending

1905
01:24:54,709 --> 01:24:52,800
did you feel the ending did you know

1906
01:24:56,930 --> 01:24:54,719
that this was the ending the answering

1907
01:25:00,950 --> 01:24:56,940
of the quote did you know all of this

1908
01:25:03,410 --> 01:25:00,960
was uh I like the morticians wax comment

1909
01:25:06,709 --> 01:25:03,420
did you see this coming

1910
01:25:09,950 --> 01:25:06,719
no right I I didn't expect anything like

1911
01:25:11,149 --> 01:25:09,960
this to happen uh I I didn't realize

1912
01:25:12,830 --> 01:25:11,159
that they showed me one of their

1913
01:25:15,290 --> 01:25:12,840
children until I was in in the car

1914
01:25:17,450 --> 01:25:15,300
leaving the airport right right and but

1915
01:25:19,490 --> 01:25:17,460
but here's an interesting thing there's

1916
01:25:20,990 --> 01:25:19,500
supposed to be such a hostility between

1917
01:25:22,610 --> 01:25:21,000
the Grays and

1918
01:25:25,189 --> 01:25:22,620
these nordics

1919
01:25:28,669 --> 01:25:25,199
that we're told that that's that's the

1920
01:25:31,130 --> 01:25:28,679
meme but they were together the woman

1921
01:25:33,169 --> 01:25:31,140
was clearly a gray I mean I could see it

1922
01:25:34,910 --> 01:25:33,179
clearly but probably most people

1923
01:25:36,229 --> 01:25:34,920
couldn't see it because they didn't you

1924
01:25:38,630 --> 01:25:36,239
know they don't expect to see something

1925
01:25:42,410 --> 01:25:38,640
like that and if you learn as much about

1926
01:25:44,090 --> 01:25:42,420
the brain as I have and how it processes

1927
01:25:46,790 --> 01:25:44,100
perceptions

1928
01:25:50,330 --> 01:25:46,800
if you don't ex if something comes into

1929
01:25:54,290 --> 01:25:50,340
your view that you don't expect to see

1930
01:25:58,070 --> 01:25:54,300
you you won't see it very usually won't

1931
01:26:01,189 --> 01:25:58,080
see it and so people didn't see her as

1932
01:26:04,370 --> 01:26:01,199
what I saw which was a damn gray very

1933
01:26:08,689 --> 01:26:04,380
poorly disguised they saw a woman

1934
01:26:11,750 --> 01:26:08,699
come kind of like E.T uh with Spielberg

1935
01:26:15,649 --> 01:26:11,760
remember when E.T was wearing uh the

1936
01:26:17,870 --> 01:26:15,659
dress right remember the the E.T put on

1937
01:26:19,669 --> 01:26:17,880
the oh yeah I'm I'm remembering it yeah

1938
01:26:22,129 --> 01:26:19,679
yeah in the movie

1939
01:26:23,390 --> 01:26:22,139
um I wanted to ask you about this so we

1940
01:26:25,850 --> 01:26:23,400
have um

1941
01:26:27,709 --> 01:26:25,860
uh some pretty extraordinary things uh

1942
01:26:31,610 --> 01:26:27,719
going on over the last uh five years

1943
01:26:35,629 --> 01:26:31,620
obviously fravor and and dietricht and

1944
01:26:38,810 --> 01:26:35,639
and and the Nimitz stuff and East Coast

1945
01:26:39,830 --> 01:26:38,820
West Coast Pacific Navy and thing and

1946
01:26:42,470 --> 01:26:39,840
other

1947
01:26:44,510 --> 01:26:42,480
stuff has has revealed itself and then

1948
01:26:47,870 --> 01:26:44,520
two weeks ago Whitley like out of

1949
01:26:49,729 --> 01:26:47,880
nowhere as if the hearings weren't

1950
01:26:51,770 --> 01:26:49,739
enough in the Department of Defense and

1951
01:26:53,330 --> 01:26:51,780
Susan Goff and whatever else you wanted

1952
01:26:57,850 --> 01:26:53,340
to throw out there

1953
01:27:00,950 --> 01:26:57,860
we got cattle mutilations in Texas

1954
01:27:03,290 --> 01:27:00,960
when that story broke what went through

1955
01:27:05,030 --> 01:27:03,300
your mind it's just like it's almost too

1956
01:27:06,590 --> 01:27:05,040
much everything is just coming out at

1957
01:27:08,270 --> 01:27:06,600
the same time would you make of those

1958
01:27:11,270 --> 01:27:08,280
cattle mutilations

1959
01:27:12,770 --> 01:27:11,280
well I I you know knowing Linda as long

1960
01:27:14,570 --> 01:27:12,780
as I have I know a fair amount about

1961
01:27:15,350 --> 01:27:14,580
Cattlemen relations

1962
01:27:17,629 --> 01:27:15,360
um

1963
01:27:20,450 --> 01:27:17,639
and uh

1964
01:27:21,950 --> 01:27:20,460
I thought to myself well I'm not

1965
01:27:24,290 --> 01:27:21,960
surprised and I've never been

1966
01:27:26,810 --> 01:27:24,300
particularly surprised by them the

1967
01:27:29,570 --> 01:27:26,820
reason being that

1968
01:27:32,870 --> 01:27:29,580
whoever's here

1969
01:27:34,729 --> 01:27:32,880
is exploiting the cattle in exactly the

1970
01:27:37,370 --> 01:27:34,739
same way we do

1971
01:27:39,709 --> 01:27:37,380
in other words they're using it for

1972
01:27:42,290 --> 01:27:39,719
something we use them for a food source

1973
01:27:44,629 --> 01:27:42,300
maybe this is maybe they use them for a

1974
01:27:47,149 --> 01:27:44,639
food source too and they have chosen to

1975
01:27:49,550 --> 01:27:47,159
use these same animals we use in order

1976
01:27:52,010 --> 01:27:49,560
not to alarm us I would assume

1977
01:27:55,729 --> 01:27:52,020
and of course it's not working very well

1978
01:27:57,350 --> 01:27:55,739
but uh and I you know there's all of

1979
01:28:01,669 --> 01:27:57,360
this stuff about it being a military

1980
01:28:04,970 --> 01:28:01,679
operation and being a

1981
01:28:07,070 --> 01:28:04,980
predators and and it's some of it's got

1982
01:28:08,510 --> 01:28:07,080
to be predatory and

1983
01:28:10,189 --> 01:28:08,520
but I don't think it's a military

1984
01:28:12,470 --> 01:28:10,199
operation

1985
01:28:14,510 --> 01:28:12,480
I think it's them

1986
01:28:17,570 --> 01:28:14,520
and um

1987
01:28:18,950 --> 01:28:17,580
I'm amazed when people cling to these

1988
01:28:21,890 --> 01:28:18,960
ideas

1989
01:28:24,770 --> 01:28:21,900
that it must be the military and

1990
01:28:26,390 --> 01:28:24,780
if you've seen these things that I've

1991
01:28:27,709 --> 01:28:26,400
never seen one but that Linda has

1992
01:28:30,830 --> 01:28:27,719
described

1993
01:28:32,870 --> 01:28:30,840
and that there are plenty of pictures of

1994
01:28:36,229 --> 01:28:32,880
not only in her books but also in other

1995
01:28:38,450 --> 01:28:36,239
areas this is not predator action

1996
01:28:41,510 --> 01:28:38,460
and why in the world would the military

1997
01:28:45,610 --> 01:28:41,520
do that and how

1998
01:28:49,370 --> 01:28:45,620
because a cow is a big thing a big heavy

1999
01:28:52,010 --> 01:28:49,380
unwilling creature two thousand pounds

2000
01:28:54,410 --> 01:28:52,020
man two thousand pounds yes and you know

2001
01:28:57,290 --> 01:28:54,420
and I grew up in cattle country I grew

2002
01:28:58,430 --> 01:28:57,300
up with cattle I've herded cattle and

2003
01:29:00,850 --> 01:28:58,440
it's not

2004
01:29:05,149 --> 01:29:00,860
there's no no no

2005
01:29:05,930 --> 01:29:05,159
couple of Goofs pfcs are going to go out

2006
01:29:08,390 --> 01:29:05,940
there

2007
01:29:10,250 --> 01:29:08,400
with some kind of a stun gun and do this

2008
01:29:13,310 --> 01:29:10,260
it's just not going to happen

2009
01:29:17,090 --> 01:29:13,320
it takes some kind of ability that we

2010
01:29:19,729 --> 01:29:17,100
don't have frankly to overpower an

2011
01:29:21,770 --> 01:29:19,739
animal like that and and you know these

2012
01:29:23,930 --> 01:29:21,780
carcasses are lying there with no blood

2013
01:29:24,709 --> 01:29:23,940
in them and no blood on the ground come

2014
01:29:27,950 --> 01:29:24,719
on

2015
01:29:29,930 --> 01:29:27,960
it's not you know why would the military

2016
01:29:32,330 --> 01:29:29,940
want to take blood out of a cattle

2017
01:29:34,070 --> 01:29:32,340
unless unless it's you know there's

2018
01:29:36,310 --> 01:29:34,080
vampires creeping around in the military

2019
01:29:38,270 --> 01:29:36,320
but

2020
01:29:42,229 --> 01:29:38,280
ah

2021
01:29:44,570 --> 01:29:42,239
um but all of the Hallmarks uh that

2022
01:29:46,070 --> 01:29:44,580
Linda has brought to our attention over

2023
01:29:47,570 --> 01:29:46,080
the years

2024
01:29:50,570 --> 01:29:47,580
all of it

2025
01:29:53,689 --> 01:29:50,580
was in this press release yeah I know

2026
01:29:57,110 --> 01:29:53,699
all of it I know yeah no Footprints no

2027
01:29:58,970 --> 01:29:57,120
uh no predators no blood surgical

2028
01:30:01,850 --> 01:29:58,980
Precision

2029
01:30:04,490 --> 01:30:01,860
um anus removed tongue surgically cut

2030
01:30:06,550 --> 01:30:04,500
out and this coming from you know the

2031
01:30:11,149 --> 01:30:06,560
ranchers and the sheriff's department

2032
01:30:12,790 --> 01:30:11,159
who must be very familiar with cattle

2033
01:30:17,209 --> 01:30:12,800
and cattle country and if they're gonna

2034
01:30:20,090 --> 01:30:17,219
say that this is a a mutilation and this

2035
01:30:22,729 --> 01:30:20,100
is why that uh they know the difference

2036
01:30:26,390 --> 01:30:22,739
between something that is natural and

2037
01:30:28,430 --> 01:30:26,400
something that is not and and then they

2038
01:30:32,689 --> 01:30:28,440
found a seventh one so it was originally

2039
01:30:34,129 --> 01:30:32,699
six and then they uh amended uh the

2040
01:30:36,110 --> 01:30:34,139
press release and said that they found

2041
01:30:37,850 --> 01:30:36,120
the seventh one along the same stretch

2042
01:30:40,430 --> 01:30:37,860
of highway

2043
01:30:43,370 --> 01:30:40,440
um but to have all of Linda's right just

2044
01:30:46,189 --> 01:30:43,380
right in a row uh I I thought that that

2045
01:30:48,350 --> 01:30:46,199
was pretty amazing I thought it was too

2046
01:30:50,689 --> 01:30:48,360
I thought I thought to myself that these

2047
01:30:52,669 --> 01:30:50,699
guys have been breeding Linda's books or

2048
01:30:55,729 --> 01:30:52,679
listening to her because she's been

2049
01:30:58,370 --> 01:30:55,739
talking about this for since the 80s

2050
01:30:59,689 --> 01:30:58,380
uh

2051
01:31:06,169 --> 01:30:59,699
the

2052
01:31:10,850 --> 01:31:06,179
cattle mutilation numbers have gone down

2053
01:31:13,490 --> 01:31:10,860
so have the numbers of uh abductions and

2054
01:31:15,830 --> 01:31:13,500
in other words it's just as the number I

2055
01:31:17,629 --> 01:31:15,840
said that backwards of abductions if it

2056
01:31:20,090 --> 01:31:17,639
has gone down so have the number of

2057
01:31:23,090 --> 01:31:20,100
cattle mutilations gone down

2058
01:31:25,090 --> 01:31:23,100
and this so this is quite an unusual

2059
01:31:27,770 --> 01:31:25,100
incident but if you go back into the 70s

2060
01:31:29,570 --> 01:31:27,780
there was loads of them happening and

2061
01:31:31,070 --> 01:31:29,580
the reason is there's not as many et's

2062
01:31:33,950 --> 01:31:31,080
here as there used to be

2063
01:31:36,470 --> 01:31:33,960
physical ones I mean I don't think well

2064
01:31:38,390 --> 01:31:36,480
there was another comment at the end of

2065
01:31:41,689 --> 01:31:38,400
the article uh where the sheriff's

2066
01:31:44,030 --> 01:31:41,699
department said that they were alerting

2067
01:31:46,910 --> 01:31:44,040
um other agencies around the United

2068
01:31:49,669 --> 01:31:46,920
States and internationally because there

2069
01:31:51,890 --> 01:31:49,679
are multiple

2070
01:31:53,390 --> 01:31:51,900
um incidents that are going on at the

2071
01:31:55,910 --> 01:31:53,400
same time they wanted communication

2072
01:31:58,189 --> 01:31:55,920
there that was oh I see I did not know

2073
01:32:00,830 --> 01:31:58,199
that that's new the last line that was

2074
01:32:04,370 --> 01:32:00,840
the last part of uh the press release

2075
01:32:05,990 --> 01:32:04,380
and I thought to myself what what does

2076
01:32:09,709 --> 01:32:06,000
that mean

2077
01:32:11,629 --> 01:32:09,719
right you know that we have alerted uh

2078
01:32:15,110 --> 01:32:11,639
multiple agencies and our International

2079
01:32:18,050 --> 01:32:15,120
Partners uh because yeah I should say

2080
01:32:19,850 --> 01:32:18,060
yeah yeah pretty crazy and somebody's

2081
01:32:21,590 --> 01:32:19,860
here stopped stock stocking up their

2082
01:32:28,610 --> 01:32:21,600
freezers for a journey somewhere else

2083
01:32:35,870 --> 01:32:32,689
when uh when I hear the Skeptics

2084
01:32:38,510 --> 01:32:35,880
or those out there that that want to use

2085
01:32:41,510 --> 01:32:38,520
Capital mutilations as an example of BS

2086
01:32:45,110 --> 01:32:41,520
you know in tin foil hat stuff yeah when

2087
01:32:47,810 --> 01:32:45,120
it comes to UFOs the one thing that I

2088
01:32:48,950 --> 01:32:47,820
just go straight to if you want an

2089
01:32:51,950 --> 01:32:48,960
example

2090
01:32:55,490 --> 01:32:51,960
this is how science works

2091
01:32:57,890 --> 01:32:55,500
this is what we do we are looking for

2092
01:33:01,330 --> 01:32:57,900
new species we're out trapping speed

2093
01:33:03,830 --> 01:33:01,340
we're out every single day in the Amazon

2094
01:33:07,370 --> 01:33:03,840
stealing moms away from their babies

2095
01:33:09,410 --> 01:33:07,380
right right and bringing him back and

2096
01:33:11,270 --> 01:33:09,420
stealing babies away from their moms and

2097
01:33:15,229 --> 01:33:11,280
not bringing them back that's a hundred

2098
01:33:18,530 --> 01:33:15,239
percent and that's what we do why would

2099
01:33:21,470 --> 01:33:18,540
we think that E.T would be any different

2100
01:33:23,570 --> 01:33:21,480
or if we went to another planet and

2101
01:33:26,689 --> 01:33:23,580
there was life on that planet would we

2102
01:33:29,450 --> 01:33:26,699
bring something back would we pick

2103
01:33:31,570 --> 01:33:29,460
something up I I would I would think

2104
01:33:34,850 --> 01:33:31,580
that we would Whitley

2105
01:33:36,590 --> 01:33:34,860
I think that you know and I've I think

2106
01:33:38,810 --> 01:33:36,600
it was in uh

2107
01:33:39,850 --> 01:33:38,820
a new world my previous book on this

2108
01:33:44,870 --> 01:33:39,860
subject

2109
01:33:46,790 --> 01:33:44,880
uh where I I outlined

2110
01:33:48,770 --> 01:33:46,800
what we would do

2111
01:33:50,030 --> 01:33:48,780
and it's just exactly what's being done

2112
01:33:53,930 --> 01:33:50,040
to us

2113
01:33:57,709 --> 01:33:53,940
and uh and for the same reasons

2114
01:33:59,930 --> 01:33:57,719
we would not it's not that we wouldn't

2115
01:34:01,910 --> 01:33:59,940
be able to

2116
01:34:05,870 --> 01:34:01,920
uh

2117
01:34:09,050 --> 01:34:05,880
we wouldn't be able to to know that they

2118
01:34:10,970 --> 01:34:09,060
had a higher regard from themselves

2119
01:34:12,709 --> 01:34:10,980
than they

2120
01:34:15,290 --> 01:34:12,719
they did for the other animals on their

2121
01:34:17,390 --> 01:34:15,300
Planet it would be that they couldn't

2122
01:34:19,189 --> 01:34:17,400
communicate with us well enough to do it

2123
01:34:23,209 --> 01:34:19,199
any other way

2124
01:34:26,030 --> 01:34:23,219
and they would want sexual material they

2125
01:34:28,550 --> 01:34:26,040
might even want to create we would want

2126
01:34:32,750 --> 01:34:28,560
excuse me sexual material for sure we

2127
01:34:35,270 --> 01:34:32,760
would want DNA uh we might very well be

2128
01:34:38,149 --> 01:34:35,280
able to want to commune to create

2129
01:34:41,330 --> 01:34:38,159
versions of them in our own context to

2130
01:34:42,610 --> 01:34:41,340
see if we could find some way of raising

2131
01:34:45,850 --> 01:34:42,620
them

2132
01:34:49,970 --> 01:34:45,860
so that they could communicate with us

2133
01:34:51,709 --> 01:34:49,980
because the problem is going to be a

2134
01:34:54,350 --> 01:34:51,719
huge one

2135
01:34:55,669 --> 01:34:54,360
in terms of communication I point this

2136
01:34:57,110 --> 01:34:55,679
out in them

2137
01:34:59,030 --> 01:34:57,120
uh

2138
01:35:01,729 --> 01:34:59,040
if you think about

2139
01:35:03,290 --> 01:35:01,739
communicating with dolphins how hard

2140
01:35:06,709 --> 01:35:03,300
that is

2141
01:35:08,689 --> 01:35:06,719
we have no idea what their songs mean or

2142
01:35:12,830 --> 01:35:08,699
any of those citations

2143
01:35:16,850 --> 01:35:12,840
we can barely communicate with apes and

2144
01:35:19,129 --> 01:35:16,860
only on our own terms never on theirs

2145
01:35:21,050 --> 01:35:19,139
we can't communicate with our own dogs

2146
01:35:24,350 --> 01:35:21,060
and cats on their terms we have to teach

2147
01:35:26,689 --> 01:35:24,360
them our ways in or we have to teach

2148
01:35:29,750 --> 01:35:26,699
them their names we have to train them

2149
01:35:32,930 --> 01:35:29,760
to do what we want them to do but we can

2150
01:35:36,169 --> 01:35:32,940
never understand the way they

2151
01:35:38,990 --> 01:35:36,179
communicate with each other at all

2152
01:35:40,550 --> 01:35:39,000
now you add to that

2153
01:35:44,030 --> 01:35:40,560
someone

2154
01:35:46,550 --> 01:35:44,040
uh evolving in a completely different

2155
01:35:49,310 --> 01:35:46,560
planetary environment with even maybe

2156
01:35:51,530 --> 01:35:49,320
different minerals and a completely

2157
01:35:55,070 --> 01:35:51,540
different system of perception of

2158
01:35:57,169 --> 01:35:55,080
different brain the Gat is a gap is

2159
01:35:59,330 --> 01:35:57,179
going to be massive

2160
01:36:02,510 --> 01:35:59,340
and in fact there's one letter in the

2161
01:36:05,629 --> 01:36:02,520
book uh called visitors in the trees

2162
01:36:09,290 --> 01:36:05,639
where you can see them stage step by

2163
01:36:12,050 --> 01:36:09,300
step trying to build a basis of

2164
01:36:13,310 --> 01:36:12,060
communication with this witness and it's

2165
01:36:20,390 --> 01:36:13,320
remarkable

2166
01:36:23,770 --> 01:36:20,400
and uh their main issue there was trying

2167
01:36:27,290 --> 01:36:23,780
to make sure that the witness did not

2168
01:36:31,070 --> 01:36:27,300
forget what was happening or decide that

2169
01:36:35,510 --> 01:36:31,080
it wasn't real because when when

2170
01:36:38,450 --> 01:36:35,520
when we are exposed to something that is

2171
01:36:40,729 --> 01:36:38,460
completely novel The Brain can't handle

2172
01:36:42,890 --> 01:36:40,739
it it does not handle it well at all

2173
01:36:45,890 --> 01:36:42,900
we will forget that

2174
01:36:49,070 --> 01:36:45,900
or decide it wasn't real very quickly

2175
01:36:49,970 --> 01:36:49,080
if we notice it at all

2176
01:36:54,350 --> 01:36:49,980
um

2177
01:36:55,450 --> 01:36:54,360
uh there's a video out on YouTube

2178
01:36:59,090 --> 01:36:55,460
where

2179
01:37:01,970 --> 01:36:59,100
you're asked to count the number of

2180
01:37:04,310 --> 01:37:01,980
times some people are passing a

2181
01:37:07,450 --> 01:37:04,320
basketball back and forth to each other

2182
01:37:10,490 --> 01:37:07,460
and you count the number of times

2183
01:37:13,910 --> 01:37:10,500
and then you find out

2184
01:37:15,770 --> 01:37:13,920
that a gorilla walked across the stage

2185
01:37:18,050 --> 01:37:15,780
while you were doing this and you never

2186
01:37:20,570 --> 01:37:18,060
saw like a room most people don't see

2187
01:37:22,669 --> 01:37:20,580
the girl I did not see the gorilla

2188
01:37:24,410 --> 01:37:22,679
but when I was pointed out to me then

2189
01:37:25,729 --> 01:37:24,420
the gorilla clearly the gorilla was

2190
01:37:29,810 --> 01:37:25,739
there

2191
01:37:34,550 --> 01:37:29,820
these guys the ETS are that gorilla

2192
01:37:36,890 --> 01:37:34,560
and we're not seeing them and the uh if

2193
01:37:38,990 --> 01:37:36,900
we went to another world they would be

2194
01:37:40,790 --> 01:37:39,000
in the same position we would probably

2195
01:37:42,290 --> 01:37:40,800
be able to walk right down their streets

2196
01:37:46,729 --> 01:37:42,300
and they wouldn't see us

2197
01:37:48,890 --> 01:37:46,739
be amazing would it be because uh well

2198
01:37:50,510 --> 01:37:48,900
for a lot of different reasons but one

2199
01:37:54,830 --> 01:37:50,520
of them could be

2200
01:37:57,229 --> 01:37:54,840
uh uh that we just not we are not to

2201
01:37:58,370 --> 01:37:57,239
them and them to us that we are not in

2202
01:38:03,470 --> 01:37:58,380
the same

2203
01:38:08,270 --> 01:38:03,480
time frame or yeah that's very possible

2204
01:38:11,689 --> 01:38:08,280
right because the Grays move like light

2205
01:38:12,910 --> 01:38:11,699
they move incredibly fast I mean I've

2206
01:38:14,750 --> 01:38:12,920
seen them

2207
01:38:19,610 --> 01:38:14,760
moving

2208
01:38:22,490 --> 01:38:19,620
I would not believe the the uh accuracy

2209
01:38:23,750 --> 01:38:22,500
and speed of scene you know there's very

2210
01:38:26,450 --> 01:38:23,760
little talked about this because not

2211
01:38:28,970 --> 01:38:26,460
many people who've seen these things but

2212
01:38:31,850 --> 01:38:28,980
see them moving in a group

2213
01:38:37,970 --> 01:38:31,860
they are they move exactly like a school

2214
01:38:41,270 --> 01:38:37,980
of fish I mean so fast and so quickly

2215
01:38:43,669 --> 01:38:41,280
and and throwing off all kinds of all

2216
01:38:45,350 --> 01:38:43,679
kinds of mental things that make you

2217
01:38:47,229 --> 01:38:45,360
think it's a pack of dogs a pack of this

2218
01:38:50,149 --> 01:38:47,239
and packet that you have to be

2219
01:38:53,209 --> 01:38:50,159
pre-practiced to know and to and to stay

2220
01:38:55,430 --> 01:38:53,219
with the business at hand that this that

2221
01:38:58,189 --> 01:38:55,440
what is happening here is this is these

2222
01:39:02,270 --> 01:38:58,199
are not dogs and these are this is these

2223
01:39:05,810 --> 01:39:02,280
little creatures are are grapes

2224
01:39:08,330 --> 01:39:05,820
uh we don't have anything like that in

2225
01:39:10,070 --> 01:39:08,340
our experience our minds don't work that

2226
01:39:12,950 --> 01:39:10,080
way our perceptual systems don't work

2227
01:39:15,950 --> 01:39:12,960
that way we can't do that are they

2228
01:39:19,490 --> 01:39:15,960
skipping frames right are they just in a

2229
01:39:21,850 --> 01:39:19,500
their shirt is fast they're so fast you

2230
01:39:24,530 --> 01:39:21,860
can't tell it's they're almost

2231
01:39:26,810 --> 01:39:24,540
unbelievably fast you know what they're

2232
01:39:30,229 --> 01:39:26,820
like and this is something I thought

2233
01:39:33,709 --> 01:39:30,239
they might be they are as accurate and

2234
01:39:43,189 --> 01:39:33,719
as fast as machines

2235
01:39:45,410 --> 01:39:43,199
what is that what does that suggest I

2236
01:39:47,330 --> 01:39:45,420
mean what I mean that would say to me

2237
01:39:50,510 --> 01:39:47,340
look Whitley

2238
01:39:55,430 --> 01:39:50,520
I'm gonna I I I could turn this into too

2239
01:39:59,350 --> 01:39:55,440
long of a statement but if I if I were

2240
01:40:02,450 --> 01:39:59,360
the head of uh uh Silicon Valley

2241
01:40:05,990 --> 01:40:02,460
Corporation Google for instance

2242
01:40:09,370 --> 01:40:06,000
I would be very interested in

2243
01:40:15,530 --> 01:40:09,380
immortality and you would achieve that

2244
01:40:19,550 --> 01:40:15,540
by getting this into a robot

2245
01:40:23,450 --> 01:40:19,560
no food no disease no sleep no issues

2246
01:40:25,729 --> 01:40:23,460
right and then and this could be exactly

2247
01:40:28,490 --> 01:40:25,739
what you're talking about there but

2248
01:40:29,570 --> 01:40:28,500
there's another no there no reason to

2249
01:40:31,910 --> 01:40:29,580
live

2250
01:40:35,390 --> 01:40:31,920
hey we're right back to that aren't we

2251
01:40:38,030 --> 01:40:35,400
yeah but we could but we could fly for

2252
01:40:39,050 --> 01:40:38,040
10 000 years in a flying saucer uh to

2253
01:40:46,070 --> 01:40:39,060
another

2254
01:40:49,550 --> 01:40:46,080
considerations of of oxygen or food or

2255
01:40:52,610 --> 01:40:49,560
or sleep and exactly it takes all of

2256
01:40:54,530 --> 01:40:52,620
that out of the play which is what the

2257
01:40:57,110 --> 01:40:54,540
Grays would represent I would think

2258
01:41:03,649 --> 01:40:59,990
but you know you can't do that and be

2259
01:41:05,689 --> 01:41:03,659
alive in my uh book uh my novel The

2260
01:41:07,810 --> 01:41:05,699
grays

2261
01:41:13,669 --> 01:41:11,030
I suggest that they

2262
01:41:16,850 --> 01:41:13,679
they lost their soul to the machine they

2263
01:41:19,669 --> 01:41:16,860
became over time they replaced so much

2264
01:41:21,770 --> 01:41:19,679
of their biology that they cease to be

2265
01:41:25,990 --> 01:41:21,780
biological creatures and became machines

2266
01:41:29,870 --> 01:41:26,000
right and now they're they're looking

2267
01:41:33,050 --> 01:41:29,880
for a heart they're like the Tin Man

2268
01:41:36,229 --> 01:41:33,060
in Wizard of Oz

2269
01:41:39,530 --> 01:41:36,239
in real life because

2270
01:41:41,870 --> 01:41:39,540
they no longer have

2271
01:41:44,510 --> 01:41:41,880
they're no longer alive

2272
01:41:47,330 --> 01:41:44,520
they only have a memory of life because

2273
01:41:50,030 --> 01:41:47,340
a machine is never going to be alive and

2274
01:41:53,030 --> 01:41:50,040
it's never going to be alive because it

2275
01:41:56,470 --> 01:41:53,040
cannot die if you can't die

2276
01:42:03,770 --> 01:41:59,570
I've often said

2277
01:42:07,970 --> 01:42:05,930
um I would go back to school

2278
01:42:10,010 --> 01:42:07,980
that's what I would do I wouldn't take

2279
01:42:13,430 --> 01:42:10,020
it I would ah my vacation a little bit

2280
01:42:15,470 --> 01:42:13,440
but you know I would go and learn for

2281
01:42:16,990 --> 01:42:15,480
the rest of my time right I would just

2282
01:42:21,950 --> 01:42:17,000
go and learn

2283
01:42:24,890 --> 01:42:21,960
and if if that went on forever

2284
01:42:27,290 --> 01:42:24,900
okay all right back to your point

2285
01:42:30,229 --> 01:42:27,300
what if that happened forever

2286
01:42:34,490 --> 01:42:30,239
how smart do you get

2287
01:42:37,910 --> 01:42:34,500
how how much knowledge do you possess

2288
01:42:40,490 --> 01:42:37,920
if you spend a Million Years Learning

2289
01:42:42,830 --> 01:42:40,500
you end up you end up in a situation

2290
01:42:44,629 --> 01:42:42,840
where the universe seems no bigger than

2291
01:42:50,330 --> 01:42:44,639
something lying in the palm of your hand

2292
01:42:51,410 --> 01:42:50,340
it's boring and and exactly yes the

2293
01:42:54,169 --> 01:42:51,420
agony

2294
01:42:56,090 --> 01:42:54,179
of being alive and dead at the same time

2295
01:42:57,729 --> 01:42:56,100
that's what happens when you know

2296
01:43:01,490 --> 01:42:57,739
everything

2297
01:43:03,530 --> 01:43:01,500
is it now okay so let's back up a step

2298
01:43:05,149 --> 01:43:03,540
and I know that uh you've written about

2299
01:43:07,189 --> 01:43:05,159
this and and we've talked about this

2300
01:43:08,090 --> 01:43:07,199
somewhat but let's let's talk about it

2301
01:43:13,310 --> 01:43:08,100
now

2302
01:43:16,790 --> 01:43:13,320
is this the intelligent design that has

2303
01:43:20,270 --> 01:43:16,800
been referenced is this the Creator is

2304
01:43:24,050 --> 01:43:20,280
this what is out there spitting out like

2305
01:43:26,990 --> 01:43:24,060
like Merlin universes you know and

2306
01:43:29,270 --> 01:43:27,000
creating DNA is that what we're

2307
01:43:31,189 --> 01:43:29,280
ultimately talking about

2308
01:43:33,169 --> 01:43:31,199
well if that's true then there's

2309
01:43:36,709 --> 01:43:33,179
something out there running from its own

2310
01:43:38,450 --> 01:43:36,719
immortality and and thrown off all kinds

2311
01:43:43,129 --> 01:43:38,460
of universes and experiences and

2312
01:43:46,490 --> 01:43:43,139
everything it can to to uh

2313
01:43:49,310 --> 01:43:46,500
find some way to Bear its

2314
01:43:52,490 --> 01:43:49,320
Eternal and unending consciousness

2315
01:43:54,290 --> 01:43:52,500
and that that could be true so there's

2316
01:43:56,870 --> 01:43:54,300
another we're coming towards the end of

2317
01:43:58,609 --> 01:43:56,880
our time here and I I want to talk about

2318
01:44:02,149 --> 01:43:58,619
a little bit about the second part of my

2319
01:44:03,770 --> 01:44:02,159
book the military part and the part

2320
01:44:06,890 --> 01:44:03,780
about the brain we've talked about the

2321
01:44:10,370 --> 01:44:06,900
brain a little bit but uh what I did

2322
01:44:14,030 --> 01:44:10,380
with it was I went back to the beginning

2323
01:44:17,510 --> 01:44:14,040
which is it really begins in 1946 not in

2324
01:44:19,669 --> 01:44:17,520
1947 or possibly in 1945 because I think

2325
01:44:23,390 --> 01:44:19,679
Jacqueline and Paola Harris nailed it

2326
01:44:27,770 --> 01:44:23,400
with Trinity about that event but in

2327
01:44:28,370 --> 01:44:27,780
1946 if White Sands they were fairing

2328
01:44:28,669 --> 01:44:28,380
off

2329
01:44:30,290 --> 01:44:28,679
[Music]

2330
01:44:32,390 --> 01:44:30,300
um

2331
01:44:35,149 --> 01:44:32,400
german-made missiles and experimenting

2332
01:44:37,010 --> 01:44:35,159
with them that because they had captured

2333
01:44:40,910 --> 01:44:37,020
them after the war

2334
01:44:42,109 --> 01:44:40,920
and they kept some of them get would get

2335
01:44:44,510 --> 01:44:42,119
shot down

2336
01:44:47,390 --> 01:44:44,520
and funny things happen to him and you

2337
01:44:49,430 --> 01:44:47,400
can you know I I didn't I don't have any

2338
01:44:51,530 --> 01:44:49,440
behind the scenes hidden information

2339
01:44:54,050 --> 01:44:51,540
except things that have happened to me

2340
01:44:55,490 --> 01:44:54,060
personally to probably be classified if

2341
01:44:58,310 --> 01:44:55,500
they'd happen to somebody behind the

2342
01:45:00,229 --> 01:44:58,320
scenes but I'm not behind the scenes but

2343
01:45:03,350 --> 01:45:00,239
um uh

2344
01:45:06,169 --> 01:45:03,360
what I did was I went to the old

2345
01:45:08,750 --> 01:45:06,179
newspapers and the news stories

2346
01:45:11,629 --> 01:45:08,760
and because this stuff wasn't secret

2347
01:45:13,970 --> 01:45:11,639
then you know it wasn't being kept

2348
01:45:15,229 --> 01:45:13,980
secret they were just uh confused by

2349
01:45:19,790 --> 01:45:15,239
what was happening

2350
01:45:23,149 --> 01:45:19,800
and I found that there had been a lot of

2351
01:45:25,129 --> 01:45:23,159
of activity and I think that the

2352
01:45:28,430 --> 01:45:25,139
military began to shoot back and that's

2353
01:45:30,890 --> 01:45:28,440
possibly why Roswell happened and then

2354
01:45:33,830 --> 01:45:30,900
there's the um another incident that

2355
01:45:39,850 --> 01:45:33,840
happened in the context of uh

2356
01:45:43,550 --> 01:45:39,860
of the 1952 July 1952 uh Washington

2357
01:45:45,950 --> 01:45:43,560
flyovers that and that was the an

2358
01:45:49,010 --> 01:45:45,960
incident where something

2359
01:45:54,109 --> 01:45:49,020
came out of the Pacific out of the

2360
01:45:57,649 --> 01:45:54,119
Atlantic uh uh uh military area on fire

2361
01:46:00,169 --> 01:45:57,659
was not absolutely not immediate as much

2362
01:46:05,209 --> 01:46:00,179
moving much too slowly and it was on a

2363
01:46:09,830 --> 01:46:05,219
very flat trajectory uh and crashed in

2364
01:46:12,229 --> 01:46:09,840
uh in uh West Virginia and people saw

2365
01:46:15,290 --> 01:46:12,239
something they saw some what was

2366
01:46:18,229 --> 01:46:15,300
probably an escape capsule of whoever

2367
01:46:20,149 --> 01:46:18,239
had been in the the in the thing moving

2368
01:46:23,330 --> 01:46:20,159
around in the woods

2369
01:46:26,990 --> 01:46:23,340
and all of this happened

2370
01:46:30,050 --> 01:46:27,000
and the military was was fighting then

2371
01:46:32,090 --> 01:46:30,060
and initially being effective in that

2372
01:46:34,129 --> 01:46:32,100
they were successfully shooting them

2373
01:46:36,350 --> 01:46:34,139
down they don't they can't do that

2374
01:46:39,370 --> 01:46:36,360
anymore but they were then

2375
01:46:41,870 --> 01:46:39,380
uh and

2376
01:46:45,169 --> 01:46:41,880
so I got into all of that and I thought

2377
01:46:46,550 --> 01:46:45,179
to myself okay let's let's keep doing

2378
01:46:48,709 --> 01:46:46,560
this

2379
01:46:50,090 --> 01:46:48,719
what about the secrecy

2380
01:46:53,390 --> 01:46:50,100
and so

2381
01:46:56,870 --> 01:46:53,400
I I looked up not

2382
01:46:59,090 --> 01:46:56,880
trying to parse it all out what I did

2383
01:47:03,050 --> 01:46:59,100
was I went into the scientific papers

2384
01:47:05,109 --> 01:47:03,060
that people like uh helped put off have

2385
01:47:13,129 --> 01:47:05,119
published

2386
01:47:16,609 --> 01:47:13,139
lot of papers and you can find in their

2387
01:47:19,870 --> 01:47:16,619
published work an intense interest in

2388
01:47:26,390 --> 01:47:19,880
things like how gravity functions

2389
01:47:27,770 --> 01:47:26,400
and how uh uh how uh things like high

2390
01:47:31,250 --> 01:47:27,780
energy

2391
01:47:34,550 --> 01:47:31,260
beams based on lasers would work and so

2392
01:47:38,390 --> 01:47:34,560
forth and I'm quite sure that all of

2393
01:47:40,250 --> 01:47:38,400
that material is part is is classified

2394
01:47:41,990 --> 01:47:40,260
it's that's the secret

2395
01:47:43,729 --> 01:47:42,000
that that's what they're working on

2396
01:47:45,229 --> 01:47:43,739
because what I found

2397
01:47:47,570 --> 01:47:45,239
was

2398
01:47:48,950 --> 01:47:47,580
a consistent effort

2399
01:47:56,750 --> 01:47:48,960
to

2400
01:48:04,970 --> 01:47:56,760
weapon that was

2401
01:48:06,830 --> 01:48:04,980
also basically a beam of of energy which

2402
01:48:09,649 --> 01:48:06,840
would of course move much much faster

2403
01:48:11,390 --> 01:48:09,659
than any missile ever could and those

2404
01:48:13,729 --> 01:48:11,400
are the two things that they are we're

2405
01:48:15,649 --> 01:48:13,739
doing and probably still are doing I

2406
01:48:17,570 --> 01:48:15,659
don't know if Hal is but I'm sure those

2407
01:48:20,270 --> 01:48:17,580
two things are the main things that are

2408
01:48:22,129 --> 01:48:20,280
being worked at on behind the scenes and

2409
01:48:24,470 --> 01:48:22,139
all I did to find this out was just to

2410
01:48:27,530 --> 01:48:24,480
read the published materials I didn't

2411
01:48:30,830 --> 01:48:27,540
need to be and of course there was there

2412
01:48:33,169 --> 01:48:30,840
was some material I found also about the

2413
01:48:37,310 --> 01:48:33,179
number of Pilots that have have suffered

2414
01:48:39,350 --> 01:48:37,320
from this and and how Havana syndrome is

2415
01:48:41,510 --> 01:48:39,360
related to the brain damage that those

2416
01:48:45,890 --> 01:48:41,520
Pilots have experienced

2417
01:48:51,890 --> 01:48:49,609
I know that these beings have a habit of

2418
01:48:54,530 --> 01:48:51,900
trying to divide people

2419
01:48:57,290 --> 01:48:54,540
and to come between people

2420
01:48:58,609 --> 01:48:57,300
and to cause Division and that kind of

2421
01:49:00,709 --> 01:48:58,619
thing because I've had that in my own

2422
01:49:03,950 --> 01:49:00,719
life and I thought to myself what if

2423
01:49:06,709 --> 01:49:03,960
they are the origin of Havana syndrome

2424
01:49:12,410 --> 01:49:06,719
and they are trying to use it to to

2425
01:49:15,229 --> 01:49:12,420
cause uh ruptures in our society and why

2426
01:49:17,689 --> 01:49:15,239
would they do that yeah why well the

2427
01:49:22,209 --> 01:49:17,699
answer is very clear

2428
01:49:26,209 --> 01:49:22,219
and it goes back to what uh uh

2429
01:49:29,270 --> 01:49:26,219
Phil Corso said so many years ago that

2430
01:49:32,270 --> 01:49:29,280
he was told by one of them

2431
01:49:34,850 --> 01:49:32,280
that what was on offer to us was a new

2432
01:49:37,310 --> 01:49:34,860
world if you can take it

2433
01:49:38,570 --> 01:49:37,320
if you can take it is the operative

2434
01:49:40,609 --> 01:49:38,580
thing here

2435
01:49:42,229 --> 01:49:40,619
and and this is we're coming up toward

2436
01:49:45,830 --> 01:49:42,239
the end of our time together and when

2437
01:49:48,830 --> 01:49:45,840
I'm a great message of this book is

2438
01:49:50,750 --> 01:49:48,840
we have to be strong

2439
01:49:54,649 --> 01:49:50,760
we have to keep

2440
01:49:58,250 --> 01:49:54,659
our wits about us and not lose sight

2441
01:50:00,430 --> 01:49:58,260
of what we are looking for which are two

2442
01:50:03,410 --> 01:50:00,440
things one is

2443
01:50:07,070 --> 01:50:03,420
understanding this and a clear

2444
01:50:09,590 --> 01:50:07,080
relationship with it and two is the

2445
01:50:13,850 --> 01:50:09,600
ability to use what we learn for our own

2446
01:50:16,609 --> 01:50:13,860
purposes because whoever is here

2447
01:50:19,790 --> 01:50:16,619
can move around this universe in ways

2448
01:50:22,189 --> 01:50:19,800
that we need to learn and fast there's

2449
01:50:23,510 --> 01:50:22,199
no reason that mankind has to sit here

2450
01:50:27,169 --> 01:50:23,520
on this planet

2451
01:50:30,590 --> 01:50:27,179
and watch the watch the parade parade go

2452
01:50:32,450 --> 01:50:30,600
by we can join that parade

2453
01:50:35,209 --> 01:50:32,460
we can do it

2454
01:50:38,390 --> 01:50:35,219
and all we need

2455
01:50:40,370 --> 01:50:38,400
is to be able to take it that means to

2456
01:50:42,950 --> 01:50:40,380
take the grief

2457
01:50:44,990 --> 01:50:42,960
and it means to rest it the knowledge

2458
01:50:48,169 --> 01:50:45,000
out of their hands

2459
01:50:50,090 --> 01:50:48,179
it means to be strong

2460
01:50:53,270 --> 01:50:50,100
that's what they're looking for and

2461
01:50:56,510 --> 01:50:53,280
that's why all this crap goes down to

2462
01:51:00,290 --> 01:50:56,520
push us around and to see if we are

2463
01:51:03,830 --> 01:51:00,300
strong enough to Prevail on our own in

2464
01:51:06,890 --> 01:51:03,840
this big complicated and probably very

2465
01:51:12,290 --> 01:51:06,900
diff very dangerous universe

2466
01:51:15,830 --> 01:51:12,300
well isn't that the only way to uh

2467
01:51:18,410 --> 01:51:15,840
develop the mindset of

2468
01:51:20,510 --> 01:51:18,420
if you want to change the world if you

2469
01:51:22,070 --> 01:51:20,520
want things to change then you have to

2470
01:51:25,250 --> 01:51:22,080
be that change

2471
01:51:28,010 --> 01:51:25,260
right exactly exactly right it's the

2472
01:51:32,209 --> 01:51:28,020
oldest oldest thing in the book sink or

2473
01:51:35,810 --> 01:51:32,219
swim no exactly child thrown into the

2474
01:51:38,030 --> 01:51:35,820
water and this parent says sink or swim

2475
01:51:42,709 --> 01:51:38,040
and the child is going to swim or not

2476
01:51:47,030 --> 01:51:42,719
and and I I just want to uh to ask you

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01:51:50,149 --> 01:51:47,040
this for for those out there why why

2478
01:51:52,970 --> 01:51:50,159
should they read them I mean what's

2479
01:51:55,490 --> 01:51:52,980
what's the what can they expect out of

2480
01:51:59,030 --> 01:51:55,500
it well what they can expect out of it

2481
01:52:00,830 --> 01:51:59,040
is it's the only analysis of the

2482
01:52:03,950 --> 01:52:00,840
relationship with the visitors that's

2483
01:52:08,330 --> 01:52:06,290
certainly outside of the secret world

2484
01:52:10,790 --> 01:52:08,340
and probably inside it too would be my

2485
01:52:12,050 --> 01:52:10,800
guess the only one there's never been

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01:52:16,209 --> 01:52:12,060
another

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01:52:19,070 --> 01:52:16,219
and it is accurate in that it does

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01:52:20,990 --> 01:52:19,080
analyze the relationship in the first

2489
01:52:23,689 --> 01:52:21,000
half of the book between the close

2490
01:52:28,010 --> 01:52:23,699
encounter Witnesses and the visitors in

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01:52:30,649 --> 01:52:28,020
all of its wonder and glory and danger

2492
01:52:34,310 --> 01:52:30,659
and that never been done I take 11

2493
01:52:36,709 --> 01:52:34,320
letters they are not one or two of them

2494
01:52:39,109 --> 01:52:36,719
are about abductions but they are about

2495
01:52:42,229 --> 01:52:39,119
a whole different kind of relationship

2496
01:52:45,470 --> 01:52:42,239
that is huge that is extremely complex

2497
01:52:49,430 --> 01:52:45,480
and varied and it is totally under the

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01:52:51,950 --> 01:52:49,440
radar under the radar nobody talks about

2499
01:52:54,649 --> 01:52:51,960
this stuff and then the second half of

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01:52:58,370 --> 01:52:54,659
the book I go into

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01:53:00,470 --> 01:52:58,380
how the brain works why we have had so

2502
01:53:04,070 --> 01:53:00,480
much trouble understanding this

2503
01:53:07,970 --> 01:53:04,080
what the military has done and right and

2504
01:53:11,030 --> 01:53:07,980
what it is done wrong and how it is that

2505
01:53:13,669 --> 01:53:11,040
it wasn't a decision on our part to keep

2506
01:53:15,950 --> 01:53:13,679
all of this secret we were maneuvered

2507
01:53:18,470 --> 01:53:15,960
into that by the visitors and exactly

2508
01:53:20,450 --> 01:53:18,480
how they did it and it gives government

2509
01:53:24,470 --> 01:53:20,460
a chance to say

2510
01:53:28,070 --> 01:53:24,480
yes we were maneuvered into it but now

2511
01:53:31,070 --> 01:53:28,080
that's over and it's time for us to come

2512
01:53:34,250 --> 01:53:31,080
clean for the public to begin to think

2513
01:53:36,890 --> 01:53:34,260
about this and above all for our trained

2514
01:53:40,390 --> 01:53:36,900
scientists and academics to really think

2515
01:53:44,149 --> 01:53:40,400
about this because they never have Jimmy

2516
01:53:46,370 --> 01:53:44,159
the great sign I wish to God that

2517
01:53:49,729 --> 01:53:46,380
Stephen Hawking had a chance to think

2518
01:53:52,310 --> 01:53:49,739
more about this than he did it's just a

2519
01:53:55,430 --> 01:53:52,320
few scary pronouncements it's not enough

2520
01:54:00,229 --> 01:53:55,440
from mind like his and the and and the

2521
01:54:05,149 --> 01:54:00,239
academic Community the no one has ever

2522
01:54:07,669 --> 01:54:05,159
really seriously gone into just how our

2523
01:54:11,030 --> 01:54:07,679
mythology and the mythologies of the

2524
01:54:12,350 --> 01:54:11,040
world work with this because we always

2525
01:54:16,189 --> 01:54:12,360
stop

2526
01:54:18,350 --> 01:54:16,199
too short and we assume that all these

2527
01:54:21,470 --> 01:54:18,360
stories of the Gods the demons the

2528
01:54:23,930 --> 01:54:21,480
Angels Etc are basically in the head

2529
01:54:27,350 --> 01:54:23,940
they're imaginary

2530
01:54:29,030 --> 01:54:27,360
what if they're not that's right and if

2531
01:54:31,129 --> 01:54:29,040
E.T

2532
01:54:34,189 --> 01:54:31,139
is here

2533
01:54:37,970 --> 01:54:34,199
and has been here a long time then

2534
01:54:41,390 --> 01:54:37,980
probably they aren't and recently there

2535
01:54:44,510 --> 01:54:41,400
was discovered that five million years

2536
01:54:47,390 --> 01:54:44,520
ago there was an extraordinary and

2537
01:54:50,870 --> 01:54:47,400
unaccountable change in the way the

2538
01:54:52,490 --> 01:54:50,880
human genome is put together

2539
01:54:54,350 --> 01:54:52,500
did somebody

2540
01:54:57,470 --> 01:54:54,360
do that

2541
01:55:00,890 --> 01:54:57,480
if if we weren't constantly bending over

2542
01:55:04,910 --> 01:55:00,900
backwards to say yes anything but E.T

2543
01:55:08,030 --> 01:55:04,920
yeah right right we might make some

2544
01:55:10,850 --> 01:55:08,040
serious progress you know I was talking

2545
01:55:14,510 --> 01:55:10,860
to uh well I've done this a few times

2546
01:55:17,209 --> 01:55:14,520
Whitley I'm glad you brought this up uh

2547
01:55:20,390 --> 01:55:17,219
but I'm I'm speaking to a PhD

2548
01:55:22,070 --> 01:55:20,400
Anthropologist right okay somebody that

2549
01:55:24,410 --> 01:55:22,080
just knows everything about everything

2550
01:55:27,530 --> 01:55:24,420
right allegedly

2551
01:55:29,149 --> 01:55:27,540
and so I bring up I go well how do you

2552
01:55:32,450 --> 01:55:29,159
explain

2553
01:55:35,870 --> 01:55:32,460
200 000 years ago that homo sapien

2554
01:55:38,870 --> 01:55:35,880
sapien just appeared and and how do you

2555
01:55:40,189 --> 01:55:38,880
explain 46 chromosome pairs instead of

2556
01:55:43,609 --> 01:55:40,199
48.

2557
01:55:47,209 --> 01:55:43,619
well and this was the answer Whitley you

2558
01:55:49,370 --> 01:55:47,219
don't understand nature just does stuff

2559
01:55:52,070 --> 01:55:49,380
but that's that that's what you're

2560
01:55:56,510 --> 01:55:52,080
that's your answer that's your answer

2561
01:55:59,270 --> 01:55:56,520
that they they they don't have an answer

2562
01:56:00,590 --> 01:55:59,280
yeah because that what he really was

2563
01:56:03,709 --> 01:56:00,600
saying is

2564
01:56:06,470 --> 01:56:03,719
you do understand we don't have an

2565
01:56:08,570 --> 01:56:06,480
answer we don't have an answer I I just

2566
01:56:11,390 --> 01:56:08,580
love it's it's just great that they they

2567
01:56:12,890 --> 01:56:11,400
won't go anywhere outside of the box

2568
01:56:15,290 --> 01:56:12,900
you're right dude because they're

2569
01:56:17,450 --> 01:56:15,300
because they live in the box and if he

2570
01:56:19,010 --> 01:56:17,460
went outside the box on your show it

2571
01:56:22,970 --> 01:56:19,020
could ruin his career

2572
01:56:25,070 --> 01:56:22,980
and that has to end we have to that you

2573
01:56:27,950 --> 01:56:25,080
know Jeff [\h__\h] my dear friend and

2574
01:56:30,310 --> 01:56:27,960
co-author of Supernatural published a

2575
01:56:34,910 --> 01:56:30,320
terrific book called

2576
01:56:37,490 --> 01:56:34,920
superhumanities that lays out

2577
01:56:41,510 --> 01:56:37,500
all of the things about the human

2578
01:56:43,490 --> 01:56:41,520
species that the academic community

2579
01:56:46,790 --> 01:56:43,500
will not acknowledge

2580
01:56:50,090 --> 01:56:46,800
and points out that these people like

2581
01:56:52,010 --> 01:56:50,100
one of the great Darlings of Academia

2582
01:56:54,229 --> 01:56:52,020
Jacques durita

2583
01:56:55,910 --> 01:56:54,239
he was telepathic

2584
01:57:00,890 --> 01:56:55,920
but they never mentioned that that's

2585
01:57:06,169 --> 01:57:03,770
because it's it doesn't fit the mold it

2586
01:57:08,570 --> 01:57:06,179
doesn't fit no they don't no if they

2587
01:57:10,070 --> 01:57:08,580
can't measure it right if they can't if

2588
01:57:12,530 --> 01:57:10,080
they can't observe they can't put that

2589
01:57:15,850 --> 01:57:12,540
in the laboratory that is not part of

2590
01:57:19,370 --> 01:57:15,860
the conversation right and they they

2591
01:57:22,870 --> 01:57:19,380
want to believe that we are small

2592
01:57:29,709 --> 01:57:22,880
enough to understand

2593
01:57:34,189 --> 01:57:29,719
I think we're way too big to understand

2594
01:57:35,350 --> 01:57:34,199
there's a hundred trillion synapses in

2595
01:57:38,270 --> 01:57:35,360
here

2596
01:57:40,970 --> 01:57:38,280
that's half the number of stars in the

2597
01:57:43,910 --> 01:57:40,980
entire universe right here

2598
01:57:46,669 --> 01:57:43,920
this thing is a few hundred thousand

2599
01:57:50,629 --> 01:57:46,679
years old and believe you me we have not

2600
01:57:52,310 --> 01:57:50,639
opened all those doors yet no way

2601
01:57:55,910 --> 01:57:52,320
no way

2602
01:57:57,410 --> 01:57:55,920
and ET if ET is here knows that and

2603
01:57:59,629 --> 01:57:57,420
that's probably why they're here because

2604
01:58:01,250 --> 01:57:59,639
they found that interesting and never

2605
01:58:03,470 --> 01:58:01,260
think for a moment that we're not as

2606
01:58:05,629 --> 01:58:03,480
intelligent as they are we don't have as

2607
01:58:08,689 --> 01:58:05,639
much experience clearly

2608
01:58:10,850 --> 01:58:08,699
but intelligence I'm not sure that we

2609
01:58:13,250 --> 01:58:10,860
aren't believing

2610
01:58:15,290 --> 01:58:13,260
we are at the head kid on the Block and

2611
01:58:17,390 --> 01:58:15,300
when it comes into intelligence we are

2612
01:58:21,609 --> 01:58:17,400
certainly highly intelligent

2613
01:58:26,689 --> 01:58:21,619
DNA DNA is universal I I think

2614
01:58:30,109 --> 01:58:26,699
the uh the capacity of understanding

2615
01:58:33,470 --> 01:58:30,119
gets uh bigger for us every single day

2616
01:58:37,030 --> 01:58:33,480
and we'll eventually get there uh well

2617
01:58:40,310 --> 01:58:37,040
but we have we have the machine to do it

2618
01:58:43,070 --> 01:58:40,320
we sure do we do we sure do

2619
01:58:44,990 --> 01:58:43,080
and um Whitley I miss you already man

2620
01:58:47,629 --> 01:58:45,000
hurry up and come home all right I'm

2621
01:58:50,270 --> 01:58:47,639
coming home soon I'll be home soon

2622
01:58:52,910 --> 01:58:50,280
and uh dinner at my place all right yeah

2623
01:58:55,570 --> 01:58:52,920
thank you Jimmy it's a good one

2624
01:58:58,189 --> 01:58:55,580
I'll talk to you soon see you soon

2625
01:59:00,530 --> 01:58:58,199
yeah thank you so much Whitley the new

2626
01:59:03,410 --> 01:59:00,540
book is called them it is number one

2627
01:59:06,050 --> 01:59:03,420
right now on Amazon you can go and get

2628
01:59:08,570 --> 01:59:06,060
it now uh it's an incredible read

2629
01:59:11,629 --> 01:59:08,580
Whitley strieber thank you so much my

2630
01:59:14,330 --> 01:59:11,639
friend you're the absolute very best and

2631
01:59:15,890 --> 01:59:14,340
uh so there you go and and tomorrow I'll

2632
01:59:18,530 --> 01:59:15,900
just let everybody know tomorrow in the

2633
01:59:22,790 --> 01:59:18,540
middle of the day I will uh be doing the

2634
01:59:25,189 --> 01:59:22,800
live stream uh with the the CEO of

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01:59:27,950 --> 01:59:25,199
lifewave x39 that's going to go on

2636
01:59:30,109 --> 01:59:27,960
tomorrow and I will uh get everything up

2637
01:59:32,209 --> 01:59:30,119
for the community uh for you to come and

2638
01:59:34,070 --> 01:59:32,219
join us it's going to be very very

2639
01:59:36,530 --> 01:59:34,080
interesting and fun this is Fade to

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01:59:41,270 --> 01:59:38,639
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01:59:43,430 --> 01:59:41,280
streber he is the absolute best Fade to

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